interdependence posts
Off shore data centers and AI hyperstitions with Sterling Crispin
Happy to welcome Sterling Crispin back on the pod, who was in the news (and our collective feeds) a few times this year. We chat about his neuro-tech work at Apple for their Vision Pro headset, and do a deep dive into the Kojima-esque, "Rogue AI" Del Complex project, and their BlueSea Frontier Computer Cluster....
Myths and Machine Learning with Marianna Simnett
In advance of the premiere of her new AI fueled gesamtkunstwerk “Gorgon”, the artist Marianna Simnett joins us to dive into mythology, mimicry and the saga of convincing tools to do what you want them to!“Gorgon” (commissioned by LAS) will take place at HAU Berlin from the 13-17th Septemberhttps://www.las-art.f...
The floor is moving with Shawn Reynaldo
Over the past two decades Shawn Reynaldo has operated in every corner of electronic music. His substack "First Floor", recently anthologized into his debut book, offers a refreshingly candid account of his feelings about the turbulent state of a culture in transition.We dive into some of the choice essays from ...
Deep Learning and Infinite Drake with New Models
Crossover episode with our beloved Channel co-conspirators New Models, where we break down the sudden spike of interest in AI spawned music, our projects Spawning and Holly+, and what these major developments may or may not mean for art and music.Amidst the hype and doom published on this subject it is such a pleasure ...
Demystifying AI training law with TechnoLlama
Everyone and their llama is talking about AI ethics and law, so we invited the high Llama Andres Guadamuz, an eminent researcher in AI and IP, to discuss the particularities and uncertainties of AI training law, in honor of his recent paper on the subject. It is an issue of our time. We make it fun.A Scanner Darkly: Co...
Latent space exploration with Damien Roach aka patten
We caught up with Damien Roach, aka patten, aka 555-5555, to discuss the need for new language to navigate the abstract implications of machine learning for our understanding of art, and the limitations of the modernist approach. We also eventually get around to discussing his beautiful new record "Mirage FM" c...
The Permaweird with Venkatesh Rao
After some weeks of nativity bliss and medical drama we are back!A joy to invite Venkatesh Rao to take us down a number of his bunny trails, focussing initially on his great piece The Permaweird, the latest in his Great Weirding series. We discuss the tendency to call "crisis!", a generally ambient sense of wei...
Air Age Blueprint, machine sentience and interspecies comms with K Allado-McDowell
Hey everyone! Holly is due to give birth this week so our recording schedule is taking a temporary hit (leave name ideas in the comments).Fortunately we recently linked up with the inimitable K Allado McDowell as part of the "Death by Landscape" series at HKW Berlin to discuss their new book "Air Age Bluepr...
Mental models and next gen AI tools with Cristóbal Valenzuela (Runway)
Runway have been on an absolute tear of late offering new AI tools for their creative production suite, so we invited CEO Cristóbal Valenzuela to join us to discuss their approach, and how the mental models of artists and greater society may change in accordance with the shifts happening. Try out Runway: https://runwa...
Covid space travel and AI rabbit holes with Andy Turner (Plaid) and Emma Catnip
A great joy to host Andy Turner and Emma Catnip to discuss their work in celebration of the release of Plaid's latest album Feorm Falorx. We discuss their intergalactic space travel over the covid lockdown, our mutual rabbit-holing over the latest AI tools and techniques, and the situation for touring artists as th...
Synthetic 3ball and Semilla AI with Hexorcismos
We catch up with Moisés Horta Valenzuela (Hexorcismos) to discuss his remarkable experiments with music and machine learning, and his upcoming software project Semilla that experiments with co-ownership of musician AI models shared for anyone to use. Just...the best.Listen to Hexorcismos: https://hexorcismos.bandcamp....
New economic kinks and Extitutional theory with Primavera De Filippi
Primavera De Filippi of the French National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS) and Harvard's Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society joins us to discuss her economic experiments, her groundbreaking art project Plantoid, her novel concept on Extitutional theory, and her current thoughts on the state of cryp...
Other intelligences and prepping for utopia with James Bridle
Hi everyone! Back in the saddle after an enforced little break prompted by a peculiar cluster of medical scare, pregnancy and founding a new organization. What a wild year.Thrilled to host James Bridle to discuss his recent book on ecologies of non-human intelligence "Ways of Being", animal sensing and co-opera...
Crossover episode: Is A.I. good or bad for art?
Mat joined our friends Emilie & Andrea at The Culture Journalist to cover a brief history of the current wave of AI art, why artist replacement narratives can veer on the absurd, and the work we are doing launching our new organization Spawning.Read and subscribe to the Culture Journalist: https://theculturejournalist....
Gamer Wagnerism and dog operas with David Kanaga
A real joy to welcome one of our favorites David Kanaga, the composer and game designer behind Soft Valkyrie, a recent opera starring Stephen Fry and Attila Csihar, the dog opera Oἶκoςpiel and more. We discuss gaming and modern composition and the fascinating villainy of Wagner.Listen to Soft Valkyri...
Post-Individualism, Metalabels and Web 3 with Yancey Strickler
A joy to welcome Yancey Stickler to discuss his idea of Post-Individualism and his new project Metalabel. We also get into his prior work founding Kickstarter, its parallels to web 3, and new proposals to fund artistic scenes.Metalabel: https://www.metalabel.xyz/Follow Yancey: https://twitter.com/ystricklerRead Yancey&...
Co-creating new music economies with Tim Exile (Endlesss)
Such a joy to have on virtuosic musician and instrument builder Tim Exile to discuss his collaborative online musical ecosystem Endlesss, the uneasy state of contemporary music, new folk traditions and what piqued his interest in web 3.Follow Tim: https://twitter.com/timexile Endlesss: https://endlesss.fm/Tim's mus...
Open Source AI and Stable Diffusion with Emad Mostaque
A real pleasure to welcome Emad Mostaque to discuss the impending launch of Stable Diffusion, his comprehensive plans for open source AI infrastructure, the impending reconfiguration of how we create everything, and how artists might hope to adapt to it all.Stability.ai - https://stability.ai/Stable Diffusion Beta: htt...
Dadabots: Playing with fire❤️🔥and extreme AI music
Over the moon to welcome titans of AI music Dadabots! We debate the coming obsolescence of human artists, their new open source AI music organization HarmonAI, and discuss what is being prototyped on the bleeding edge of AI sound generation.Follow Dadabots: https://twitter.com/dadabotsDadabots in the AI song contest: h...
Marina Abramović on the parallels between performance art and web 3
We had a wonderfully funny chat with Marina Abramović on AI authorship and digital twins, the urgent need for heroism, and the parallels between performance art and web 3's attempts to value the immaterial.The Hero 25FPS: https://circa.art/nft/Marina Abramović: Seven Easy Pieces: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sev...
The state of streaming, crypto and perpetual musical nostalgia with David Turner (Penny Fractions)
David Turner shares some of the most insightful and thorough analyses on the music industry through his Penny Fractions newsletter.We link up to discuss the current state of streaming, his skepticism about much of crypto, and his positive perspective on the regular recycling of the 20th century in popular culture.Sub t...
Doomer Optimism and the Green Pill with Kevin Owocki
Celebrating the release of his first book "Greenpilled: How Crypto Can Regenerate The World" we welcome Kevin Owocki to discuss regenerative crypto-economics, doomer optimism, impact DAO's, public goods and crypto's relationship to the state .Buy Greenpilled and take the pledge: https://greenpill.party/...
Inhuman Intelligence with Anil Bawa-Cavia
Anil is one of our favorite thinkers on AI. To celebrate the advent of Anil's debut book "Logiciel: Six Seminars on Computational Reason", we try and pick apart some high level concepts on reason and computation, and discuss why recent deep learning breakthroughs may require a break from traditional concept...
Future instruments and generative transcultural exchange with Hanoi Hantrakul
Wonderful to catch up with DDSP co-author Hanoi Hantrakul, whose practice considers transcultural exchange using new technologies from machine learning to 3d printing. We discuss his contribution to the 2022 AI song contest, his VST plugin developed in his new role at Tik Tok, and the fascinating challenge of fair and ...
Experiments in revaluing music with David Greenstein (Sound.xyz)
We sit down with Sound.xyz founder David Greenstein to discuss the many different experiments and approaches happening to revalue music within the Ethereum ecosystem, touching on Spotify, TikTok and the traditional music industry in contrast.Full disclosure, we contributed a small sum to Sound's seed investment rou...
Building a Web 3 Sci-Fi Film Franchise with The Fringe
Our favorite projects at the moment are finding ways to harness the generative potential of Discord communities to coordinate ambitious projects, and what THE FRINGE are building is remarkable.Already having created a bespoke successful Sci-Fi universe with their debut film PROSPECT, they are turning to Web 3 to build ...
Channel Roundtable 3
With our roadmap ready to drop, the Channel team sat down earlier this week to chat recent web3 developments and Channel’s position therein — a conversation that previews what’s to come this year; plus: Holly & Mat’s TED insights, the turning-toward-web3 of web2 titans, a recap of DNR’s expansive 40-artist sh...
Cloud money and the Case for Cash with Brett Scott
Wonderful to chat with Brett Scott in advance of his new book "Cloudmoney: Cash, Cards, Crypto and the War for Our Wallets" (Penguin) about the creeping incursions of cashlessness, the naivety of crypto and why cash is maybe worth keeping around!Follow Brett: https://twitter.com/SuitpossumPreorder "Cloudmon...
Headless bands and lore with Songcamp
After a short enforced break we are back to chat with one of the most exciting projects in the music and crypto field, Songcamp, and the world's first headless band, Chaos.Camp Chaos: https://www.chaos.build/Songcamp: https://songcamp.mirror.xyz/Follow Mark: https://twitter.com/markreditoFollow Matthew: https://twi...
Channel Roundtable 2 (w/Duncan Wilson)
The Channel creators - Joshua Citarella, Interdependence (Holly Herndon & Mat Dryhurst), and New Models (Caroline Busta, Daniel Keller, Lil Internet) - are joined by CEO (!) Duncan Wilson to share an update, a recap of ETHDenver, a story about Beeple among trad-art power players, and a theory about the "Rorschach t...





























