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Episode 21: Cancelling the PMC w/Catherine Liu and Dan Kovalik
🕑 Added 2022-02-13 18:26:51 +0000 UTCAaron talks with Catherine Liu and Dan Kovalik about the Professional Managerial Class, "cancel culture," and US empire. Liu is a professor of Film & Media Studies at the University of California at Irvine and the author of Virtue Hoarders: The Case Against the Professional Managerial Class.
Daniel Kovalik is the author of Cancel This Book: The Progressive Case Against Cancel Culture. He is also a human rights lawyer, labor rights lawyer and peace activist. He has contributed articles to CounterPunch, The Huffington Post, and TeleSUR. He teaches International Human Rights at the University of Pittsburgh School of Law.
Follow Catherine Liu on Twitter: @bureaucatliu
Check out Dan Kovalik's author page at Amazon
Special thanks to Casey Moore for the episode art and Dana Chavarria for the sound engineering!
Music: "Song in D" by Mock Orange
Comments
Paul Brewer
ngl, I have heard Liu before and been unconvinced by the invention of the PMC into a Marxist schema, but this time I thought of it as the lumpen-bourgeoisie and then it becomes a sort of reinterpretation of C Wright Millsβ White Collar, as well as in the tradition of applying lumpen-bourgeoisie in an imperialist setting
Cory
Catherine Liu is such an entertaining guest. She let's it all out and gives no fucks. Glad you had her on.
Aaron Good
The follow-up is also fantastic: The Causes of World War III
Anton Furgeson
It (The Power Elite) is (essential reading)!
dogsbeout
Thatβs a great point. I gotta get the Power Elite. Seems like essential reading
Aaron Good
Hey, thanks! I tried to write some thing suitable for the subject. And Mills was so on point: people do shape themselves to the standards set by those who determine who shall succeed in these fields. This makes the PMC victim and victimizer in this regard...
dogsbeout
Such a great episode. Especially loved the postscript.
Aaron Good
Thanks, and I imagine that they will both be back on at some point. In particular, I have a plan for an episode with Catherine and another guest to talk about 1619 and Kendi...
Aaron Good
No, What are their good albums?
Aaron Good
Well, we're inclusive here, it seems! You need need to work your way over to S&C; we need a mole there.
John McElroy
Would enjoy hearing more from both Catharine and Dan btw! Listening a second time to absorb a bit more - your guest selection is top drawer π₯
pete
Mock Orange rips. Aaron have you ever heard Faraquet and/or Medications?
John McElroy
Fantastic conversation Aaron ππΌ Loved the insights and felt connected to each of Catharine and Dan - especially their current takes on last stage empire. Also enjoyed your point about 1968, being an important year - itβs led me to a small project to work on as I continue to enjoy this American exception project ππΌ
NYCM&AHole
I would rather hoard money than virtue. But thatβs why Iβm a Wall Street lawyer who doesnβt work for Sullivan and Cromwell
