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A Hard Knock Life: Sympathy for the Devil (ch. 5)

🕑 Added 2021-01-28 15:53:53 +0000 UTC

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That Warden

V's way of thinking is...very one piece Pirate, he would fit very well in the straw hat crew

IdeasGuy

To be completely honest? I’m pretty sure it’s how you read it because I don’t think I could have made it any clearer. V choosing to go to Lock? Jonah straight up tells him that normal people don’t walk into traps and V doesn’t even consider not going to help Lock after he knows Lock squealed. With Tattletale? V risked a bullet to the head to set up a shot at Tattletale and Regent so they would back down. Regent straight up comments that he thought that V was bluffing about being ready to die, and he was surprised that he wasn’t. Jackie puts forth the option to put the bomb in Jonah’s head and V insists that it should be in his. Both Jackie and Viktor call him crazy for it. It’s all there. When I was writing the chapter, I was worried that I was being too overt. It’s all laying the foundation for V’s character -- who’s motivation can be boiled down to ‘I want to do this and I don’t want to do that.’ And that reason is all he would need to do something like picking a fight with Lung. Or Adam Smasher. Or the entirety of Night City. Because he wanted to do it. Or because they were trying to make him do something that he didn’t want to do. Which flows into his morals and his stubbornness because there is a lot of dirty shit in Night City that V will take issue with. Add that in with a man with no regard for his life, and whose willing and ready to die for whatever he feels like dying for that day… Johhny Silverhand said it best. To be a Legend in Night City, you have to be a little bit fucked in the head. As for Bakuda being a victim -- what she was planning to do was absolutely monstrous. She was planning to commit mass murder for her own freedom. At the same time, V can’t really be throwing any stones. He’s still the same character that murdered ABB and Maelstorm thugs for a quick buck. Sure, he puked after, but he still did it. He slept like a log after too. V and Lock fucked her over first, snatched freedom from her hands then became loose ends that needed to be pinched off. That loops back to the conversation that he had with Taylor -- one day, he’s going to get bumped off for something for some reason. So, in the end, Bakuda had reasons to be an utter bitch to him. After doing all of this writing, I figured out an easier way to explain it -- V doesn’t like killing people that aren’t a threat to him. If he’s gotta do it, then he’ll take them behind the barn like ‘ol Yeller, but he didn’t have to do that with Bakuda. That’s what the second chance is all about. To prove that what she did was because she was desperate, not because that’s just who she was as a person.

rjjn

I can certainly see that as being a solid characterization, but I didn't get *any* of that out of the story. I feel like we barely got any characterization for V at all besides his desire to be a Legend, and as a result, your intentions as an author just didn't come through for me in the writing. I don't know if it was just the way I read it, or actually something lacking in the writing. The other thing was that Bakuda may have been a victim, but that didn't make her any less of a monster. How did her being trapped against her will make any difference in the case of his (only) friend's death? I just didn't see much of a point to his actions, I still can't "make them make sense" from what I've read of V's character and his brief interactions with Bakuda.

IdeasGuy

V is a character that has absolutely nothing to lose except for his life, and he’s already decided that he doesn’t value it. He’s internalized that he will die some pointless petty death for some reason or another and it’ll likely happen before he’s accomplished anything. That’s the core character type that I built V’s character off of. The one thing that he does value is his dream of being a Legend, and this opening arc was setting the stage of what being a Legend means to V. This was foreshadowed already about what kind of character V is -- he willingly walked into a trap with no hesitation, he was more concerned with the lives of bystanders than he was with his own when he was trying to talk down Bakuda, he decided to give a fortune to Lock’s family, he decided to put a bomb in his own head rather than risk the life of another, then he decided not to murder Jonah after he left him for dead. This opening arc was about V realizing what his principles are. He’s had every chance to be a piece of shit -- like putting the bomb in Jonah’s head, or keeping the money for himself, or leaving Lock for dead. Every single time, V didn’t make that choice for no other reason than he didn’t want to. With Bakuda, it’s where it all comes to ahead. V built up an image of Bakuda that he wanted to take vengeance on -- a cruel, vindictive monster that murdered his friend. Then he slowly learns that Bakuda isn't the mastermind behind the ABB. She’s a prisoner. One that’s kept under guard, hopped up on drugs and she had been that way for months. The Bakuda that he found wasn’t the one that he wanted to kill. Bakuda was a pathetic and desperate woman lashing out. You called in whimsical, and maybe it is -- but that’s also the point. V was like a dog chasing a car, and when he finally caught up to it, he had no idea what to do with it. He could have just killed her and been done with it. He recognized that was the smart thing to do. He didn’t because he realized he didn’t have a taste for vengeance when Bakuda was just as much of a victim as he was. And that’s why he spared her. Bakuda is a victim too. If she was just another thug in the ABB? If she hadn’t been drugged up and locked up for months? If the Bakuda was who V had imagined her to be? Then he would have put a bomb in her head, looked her in the eyes, and watched her die. The core conflict of the story is V’s principles against the evil of Night City. What makes V a Legend in the making is that he will break before he bends no matter how much he might benefit from bending. You can’t bribe him. No matter how powerful you are, you can’t make him do what you want him to if he doesn’t want to do it. And even if it kills him, he’ll step in the ring with giants way out of his weight class because he doesn't have it in him to back down. This arc is the start of that. It’s him finding out who he is when the cards are down.

rjjn

Just read your above reply to the other commenter, but the app won't let me reply directly, so I'll write here: The problem to me with this perspective is that you've written traits that are the inverse of Vergil's without writing a character who's a inverse to Vergil. If Vergil is a pure pragmatist, willing to compromise his morals every time if it means achieving his goals, then V would be a moral absolutionist, utterly unwilling to compromise himself in resolve or action once he sets his mind. For starters, you've completely undermined that by throwing in this newfound goodwill which was all but completely missing in his character in the previous chapters. If he had been the heroic type from the very beginning, and if that had been shown as a bug part of his character, then this would have been believable, but this newfound characterization seemed to come out of nowhere. If you're writing a moral absolutionist as a character, then his morals can't suddenly come into play when the plot demands it, he has to be living by them through every second of his "on screen" existence. As a result of this, V comes off as the exact opposite of what you're trying to write him as. He seems like he's halfway between wishy-washy and a flakey shounen protagonist, and that has a terrible impact on the readers investment in the story in the long run. V just spent ~25% of the story building himself up to kill Bakuda, before doing a completely 180 at the last minute based on what seems like little more than a whim. Now, why should a reader be invested in any of V's goals from here on out? V claims that he's aiming to be a Legend, when he finally gets to that mark, is he just going to go "hmm, nah, don't wanna get my hands dirty." That was certainly a hyperbole, but it illustrates the issue. You've started to fundamentally undermine any reason for a reader to be invested in your main character.

rjjn

Ouch, I have to say I *really* disliked this. It came off as shounen levels of 'hero can't kill' nonsense. Of course Bakuda was a real person with real issues, the fact that the MC is willing to abandon all of his built up resolution on a whim like that felt super contrived. The in-character justification fell utterly flat, and makes it seem like the character has no real agency and is just an extension of author fiat.

Garend

Huh, I really thought he would do it. I think I like this better.

The Panda Queen

Ideas-guy, if you're trying to court me with this gift it's working~~

Lightseid

So just because someone is pathetic, V can't bring himself to kill them or even punish them. This is going to get annoying fast. Just because someone is a sad piece of shit, they get to go free after killing his friend and fucking him over. I just have to say his morals are shit, he's letting his friend's killer go free because she looks sad (not even about killing his friend, but about herself) and is desperate. Like you said he's fucked, because he'll be easy to manipulate, anyone with a sob story (so almost any cape, that's what a Trigger Event is) and about to die will look the same as Bakuda does now. Sad and desperate. So he'll never be able to kill any of them in cold blood. And for fuck's sake, Bakuda isn't morally gray, if she was she would have used V and Lock to free herself, not just decided to kill them when they could have helped her, but no, she showed exactly what kind of person she was while she had power over Lock and V, a sadistic bitch. If you want to see what kind of person someone is, give them power and watch what they do. So if someone like Bakuda seems morally gray to him then he won't be able to do shit to anyone. There will almost never be any lasting consequences to his actions. By the way, how did Oni Lee suddenly appear ? Was it bad luck ? Or did Bakuda call for him via something V didn’t take into account when she thought she was going to die ?

Nkosinathi Mashori

I kinda respect his decision honestly, there isn't much subtsance to killing someone who's one chance at freedom you fucked up for a quick buck,sorta like in the game where the whole relic thing was also sorta your fault, that said she did kill your friend and make fun of him afterwards, and I get what you were going for...when your weak you'd do anything to feel strong again and if that means stepping on other people eh🤷🏽‍♂️, that said...let her go let her grow and then hunt her down cause end of the day she killed your friend. kill who you want to kill save who you want to save live how you want to live, some people might see him not immediately killing her as simping out, but to me in a fucked up way this is him sticking to his ideals. And thats what it means and what it takes to be a ledgend. This is why I'm a huge fan of your fics honestly your charecters have actual fucking substance to them, no ones evil for evils sake, no ones one dimensional.

IdeasGuy

The help explain things -- I made V an inverse Vergil from See No Evil. Whereas Vergil will bend over backward, twist his morals into knots and he’d do it without a second thought if it means he gets what he wants. V is the opposite. He will not compromise on absolutely anything. To him, how he gets to his end goal matters more than the goal itself. If it means that he gets killed in the process, then he gets killed. If he has to kill, then he’ll kill. He’s internalized that fact. In the end, it’s exactly as V said. His motivation is to do the things that he wants to do -- without reservations, no matter the consequences and regardless of who tries telling him not to. That applies to the law, corporations, to god himself. V will not compromise. Ever. Not even a little bit. He is a character that if you gave him a gun and told him to pick a foot to shoot, he’d shoot himself in both, then shoot the guy that told him to shoot himself in the foot, all to drive home the fact that you cannot tell him what to do or how to live his life. With Bakuda -- she was held captive for months, hopped up on drugs, kept under guard, and absolutely pathetic. She was desperate to get out and in Night City, desperation is something everyone knows and understands. Everyone does things that they don’t want to do when they’re desperate. That’s why she got the second chance. She gets the chance to prove that she did what she did because he and Lock got in the way. That what she did wasn’t her being herself, but the actions of a desperate woman that was tantalizingly close to freedom, only to have it snatched out of her grasp at the last second. To simplify -- V can kill with no hesitation. If they’re in his way, or they’re firing at him, he can just pull the trigger without a thought because there’s no issue in his mind. However, put him in a room with a morally gray villain, then things change. He can stop and think about what he wants to do and what action is more in line with his personal morals. The crux of the issue is that V is a kind and empathetic person that’s unwilling to compromise on his values and principles. In a Cyberpunk/Worm crossover. The guy is absolutely fucked.

Lightseid

Yeah I don't like it at all. Is he going to just pussy out of killing everyone ? First Jonah, now Bakuda. Seriously he's letting Bakuda live, because she gave him some sob story. She fucking killed his friend and almost killed him too. V spent his time acting like it meant something all these past chapters, but now that it's time to show it, he rewards her with freedom just because she's pathetic. Fuck he's rewarding the bitch for killing his friend, this is what this chapter is. He's just talk and no substance. I'm losing my interest for the character rapidly. If anyone who's pathetic can escape without consequences from him then I don't have any interest in him. Next chapter will probably be V fighting fucking Oni Lee so that monster can escape. Like she's going to change because a naive dumbass gave her her freedom (And if Bakuda does change just because of that, it will break my SOD hard). She will go right back to being the monster she has already proven herself to be, but without any leash. I'm sorry if this is seems to be a meanspirited comment but it really had to be said, because this chapter made me loose most of my respect for the character, which obviously isn't good.


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