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The Tiger and the Dragon: Act 8, Chapter 8

🕑 Added 2022-11-25 00:08:01 +0000 UTC

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Arnak

"nazarekt" lol. Yeah you are right, maybe your writing is more mature in that way. Still, you are writing in this universe, where the world-shattering events take place rather often. So focusing on people who have some dire stakes right now is not unbelievable and just plain more fun. imo ofc.

Aeridinae Lunaris

There are stakes for New Worlders, yes, and the stakes for the characters in this arc are outlined rather clearly. They are just 'normal' stakes because very few people have wildly exciting stakes involving world-shattering events at all times in their lives. This does serve to illustrate my point, however. If we take the very first battle in Overlord, for instance(the raid on Carne and Ainz's intervention), I can pretty much guarantee you that the vast majority of readers ultimately give zero shits about about the different political actors and the agency that Maru has built up for each character involved in the Carne event. This appears in different forms every volume, and they are just forgotten by the readers by the time they finish the volume, or not even that long. Lizardman culture, industry, spirituality and economics? Yeah, no one remembers that. It's all about the showstopper: Nazarick appearing and throwing a wrench in the works. Everything else is either 'filler' or goes towards feeding that sense of entitlement/power that people looking over the shoulder of Ainz like rabid twitch viewers want for their protagonist. Readers are given cue cards over who is due to be nazarekt next. Characters within the story don't even react until the cue card appears telling them to react.

Arnak

The funny part is that there is never any tension or stakes for 'Team Nazarick' in Overlord, so saying that it's a lack of that is patently false -> There are stakes for New Worlders though, and we are watching things from their POV more often than not. So reading their shock/disgust/awe is really engaging.

Petko

I think that Saraca isn't supposed to have any stakes in this(until he meets the undead atmy), as it's just an inspection of a new and developing country for a potentional alliance and he probably did this several times already in different coutries and nothing happened there.

Aeridinae Lunaris

The thing is that there aren't supposed to be any 'dire stakes' for Saraca(and thus the Beastman Confederacy) in this region of the world. He's just going through something routine, and tension isn't the name of the game. It's not that what Saraca is doing is unimportant to the character, but it is seen as unimportant to the reader. In Overlord, Nazarick almost always generates the inciting incident, while the stakes in new world conflicts are always 'insignificant' to the reader by comparison. Every arc in canon actually does this - people tend to anticipate the entrance/actions of 'team protag' while considering all of the New World-side stuff boring. Early in the series, people both have the patience to go through that and Maru creates a comfy sort of narrative by employing many concepts already established by the genre at large. Later on(well, not that much later on in overlord since it started in the Lizardman arc), people go into the whole 'skim/filler mode' that is common in writing when new settings or characters are introduced. The funny part is that there is never any tension or stakes for 'Team Nazarick' in Overlord, so saying that it's a lack of that is patently false. It's simply a quirk of the Human brain: people are trained to stick to the preferences that they've developed, and it just takes a lot of work to have new settings and characters grow on the reader after that point. Valkyrie's Shadow has a lot of 'mature/adult' individuals, so it makes it hard for them to have any impact on the reader unless they're being dumped straight into the action. With Saraca and co, however, doing that would be highly problematic because they'd be seen as coming out of nowhere(aka. an asspull).

Arnak

I think i know what would've been an easy way to fix Saraca's story arc. We needed to add some tension, any tension. Which could be easy if his country was preparing for war / there was immanent danger coming to it. Would give Saraca a dire reason to search for good allies. Would not change the story in any way, just a sentance that his search is really important RIGHT NOW. There would be some stakes involved. Because atm, with the state of Rolen'gorek as it is, there are no stakes for Saraca in all of it. We know these stakes are coming (when he meets the undead army), but for these 10+ chapters, tension is always at 0 for everyone we follow.

Brian Buslon

I have a feeling that picking a fight with the theocracy would be catastrophic for the beast man kingdom. No solid proof, but a strong feeling.


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