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Chapter 303 - Imperial

🕑 Added 2025-03-05 18:00:11 +0000 UTC

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FeyOne

Thomicron, I guess I'd be fine with that. I just didn't read it that way. It is entirely possible I'm reading more into his response than was intended, though.

FeyOne

I do get where you are coming from, and it could just be the way that I read it. I absolutely agree that part of what I like about the story is the imperfect humanity of the characters, and I liked his response to realizing he had gotten cocky. I guess it just rubbed me wrong how he seemed to immediately jump to interpreting the events as having been a manipulative betrayal, which none of it was. I mean, let's look at it from just the facts - he was looking for someone who could help him learn magic, he was trying to find an underground bunker from ancient times, and he was trying to find some peace and focus for himself.... And he got all of that. He never would have found the bunker without the emperor's help. He found exactly the peace that he was looking for in the hidden valley, which he couldn't have found without the emperor's help. He even received training in magic, with results that he was previously quite proud of, with the emperor's help. I mean, sure. Obviously the emperor didn't do all of that our of the pure and unvarnished altruism of his perfectly giving heart... he's the emperor. On the other hand, though, he only ever helped Nathaniel and his support, teaching, etc... all appears to have been genuine. Why is it bad that the emperor got something out of all of that as well? Why is Nate so petulant that the idea of someone powerful helping him for complicated reasons that include their responsibilities seems to constantly upset him? As you say, the emperor will always put his people first, but that's not limited to him. Everyone will always put their own priorities/ethics/beliefs/responsibilities first. That's literally how people work, and the more authority/responsibility someone has over others the more that they have to be mindful of that truth if they don't want to do harm, (in the case of leaders who want to do good), or generally undermine their own interest, (for those who are more selfishly focused on their own power). I think part of my negative response to Nathaniel's handling of this is tied to his previous behavior as well. Consistently, when confronted with complicated situations, he interprets them in the seemingly most negative way that he can and then seems to fixate on that. *shakes head* Anyway, I liked the chapter. I am just frustrated with the main characters apparent inability to realize that other people are actual people with real agency too, (that, and an an inexplicable ability to look on the negative side of seemingly everything).

ThoMiCroN

He’s not whiny. He’s miffed to have been played like a fiddle but he also acknowledges that it was a logical thing to do for the emperor. He’s able to detach enough from his feelings to understand the emperor ‘s perspective, even if he’s annoyed.

PreCursive

I get where you're coming from, but I do think that's a BIT unfair towards Nate. The context here is that Nathan has once again been involved in a large conspiracy bent around taking advantage of his Precursor abilities. In the text what he says is that he's "developing a problem with authority", it's more that he's getting tired of being manipulated by those more powerful than he is. Seimei/Jinshin didn't descend from his throne out of a genuine desire assist Nate during a rough period in his life. He was curious about the nature of somewhat interesting foreigner that had taken up temporary residence in his country. Upon learning more about him and his nature, he and his spymaster conceived of a scenario in which to direct Nate, towards a situation that had long been a thorn in the side of Kawamara. Nate was in a way happy to assist there, as he's developing his own adventurous spirit. I WOULD say that he's also a bit admiring about the entirety of the maneuvering, from the neatness of just how much the two men pegged him and his motivations. However, in this scene, he's more upset about the false pretenses of his aquaintance with Jinshin the Priest instead of Seimei the Emperor. Also, he's letting his small doubts about Grey color the experience as well. I would not say that Seimei acted out a sense of MALICE, per se, but I would say that his primary motivations will always be towards the safety and prosperity of his own nation. While he developed a bit of fondness for Nate over their lessons, that wasn't enough to stop him from steering Nate in a particular direciton. He's also aware of how unfair this can be, so he IS intending to reward Nate and co. appropriately for their service toward Kawamara. This is also backed up with the previous discussion with Shurenga, in which she noted that Nate had a mind well-suited towards political machinations. He's just inexperienced on that particular battlefield, where he's always picked up a fair amount of experience when it comes actual combat. I'd say this has been foreshadowed, in a way, all the way back in Vol. 1 with the scene in Elysael's court. In general, I'm trying to present Nate as having his own personality flaws that have been shaped by his experiences upon Vereden. I would HATE to have him come off has some kind of hyper-competent task fixer, always acting with a cool head in every situation and making perfect decisions everytime.

FeyOne

I can not wait for the day that these whiny, self-persecuting, childishly self-centred aspects of Nathaniel get slapped right out of him by someone or something. Seriously, he finds out that the emperor of the lands he is in disguised himself to help teach and guide him, and instead of being thankful he immediately has a chip on his shoulder about how he was “used”? Used for what? Used for getting exactly what he wanted for himself anyway? He’s like a damn toddler throwing a tantrum because someone handed him the ice cream that he wanted to get, (that he otherwise literally couldn’t have ever gotten for himself)! And the worst part of it is that the lesson he takes from this isn’t one of humility, or thoughtfulness… on no, those would be useful lessons to learn. Instead he is developing a “problem with authority”? Don’t get me wrong on this, I’m all for healthy skepticism around authority, but that’s the only lesson he is learning?!? *throws hands up in frustration*


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