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Chapter 828 - Nevermore: Evaluation (1)

🕑 Added 2024-01-15 11:26:55 +0000 UTC

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Olof Karlsson

Thanks to the chapter!

JJB4345_80_815

We can hope 🤞

JJB4345_80_815

Asking Villy might help. He might not "know" but he probably has a better prospect of an idea AND Villy is smart enough to not give Jake too much info. Of course, I forgot about the Daofather/Benevolent Monk/Soulfist Daolord but it sounded like that would be a good group to inquire if they can be trusted...

Luke Scheffe

I’m interested to learn what the next challenge dungeon is. The two main options, as I see it, are distance and time. The distance would be similar to Minaga’s Labyrinth, but without the distraction of the maze. Jake would do good, but not game breaking here. The other option, time, would test a person’s mental endurance. A straightforward application of this would be something like being forced into closed door meditation, and then you just have to endure. Five years, you get five percent. 25 years, you get 10 percent. 625 years? You get 20 percent. All a relatively short time compared to deities. Of course, you wouldn’t actually go through that time, your mental faculties would just be sped to the point that it felt like it.

SmokeJam

Asking Villy won't help, Nevermore already said his Patron is not understanding this energy correctly either. The system is stingy but I suppose finding out exactly what kind of energy that is will give Jake an immense power boost, while a spoiler by an outside perspective can ruin everything.

Joshua

Jake isn't wrong. Someone isn't superior simply because they are stronger.

BearHandMan

Powerful feedback.

Chloe

Best ever. 30% woowoo

JJB4345_80_815

Only if it allows him to hunt down and kill Deadpool while giving She-Hulk a good time... Edit: Oh, and resurrecting Schlock mercenary Webtoon via his Origin manipulation...

JJB4345_80_815

The Human brain is an excellent pattern recognition system. The more often a pattern gets repeated, the easier it is for the brain to make accurate predictions. Overuse of cliffhangers can actually be counterproductive for it's intended purpose. I made a prediction in the comment section of Friday's chapter that the evaluation was going to at least be 2 chapters long. If cliffhangers become predictable, then the suspense is lessened and the overall dopamine reward system becomes muted, leading to a reduction in story joyfulness. Of course, the brain isn't perfect, hence how superstitions develop. (NFL Playoffs now & the weird stuff fans do to "help" their team win).

JJB4345_80_815

Or ask Villy once he completes the Nevermore arc (If Jake can't figure out the marble out by himself)

jackalsclaw

It occurred to me mid joke that it was kinda true for that reason. It makes it funnier to me. "Royal Road... The first one's free"

Drumic

I mean... in a way they do. It was cliffhangers that got me (and probably others) paying for patreon out of that desire to find out what will happen next without the will to wait for the next release - only to catch up to and be left waiting again.

Mownmbasa

Dun dun duuuun! At least is a one day cliffhanger and half a day almost passed!

Spirit Stones

Still a cliff though

john henderson

Personally I'm glad the chapter ended there, Temlat deserves more than his other creations, and this sets his evaluation up to be the main point of a chapter rather than just a couple of paragraphs.

Numbzy

I really wonder how Jake will score here. On one hand, I feel like his overall score will be pretty strong, but I could also see a weaker score happening. I guess it all depends on where his 4 'weaker' creations score in at. If his 4 weaker creations are worthy of a 5% bonus I could see him walking out with a very respectable 20% bonus, but if they are all lower than that then I bet it's like a 10%-15% bonus. Really sucks that all of his creations were judged against each other and not on some generalized scale.

Tim Bartlett

DONT YOU DARE GIVE HIM ANY IDEAS!!! Zogarth is liable to go through all of this and then start a side character chapter just to cliff us another week.

kry

Shoulda known we wouldn’t get to hear her thoughts about Temlat this time around 😪😩

jackalsclaw

Later at work "just make it thought the rest of the day and tomorrow you will have another chapter"

jackalsclaw

Forget an author getting paid by the word, I'm 90% sure zogarth gets paid by the cliffhanger.

joel southard

Nice

ItWasIDIO!!

Whoo thought it was gonna be stretched to 1234... and so on for each

Sean

Well keep in mind Zog's writing is good enough that we don't need a cliff to keep us coming back just because of a cliff. The story is honestly compelling which is why there are so many active comments and likes for EVERY chapter. The issue is when he employs them with regular and predictable frequency he conditions the reader to expect that some chapters will end without completion. Like someone else point out they wanted to see what the gods thought and with this chapter we could have had all of the evaluation in this chapter and a "meanwhile back in the viewing room" chapter tomorrow and it wouldn't have lost any impact because I am sure everyone is dying to know what the gods are doing right now. It doesn't change the anticipation for the next chapter at all however it does allow the reader to get the satisfaction of the whole evaluation but there is still something more they want.

James Faulkner

Tftc!

Micah Molina

This Challenge Dungeon was bitter sweet. Glad there's just one more to go. Hopefully the next one ends this mini arc strong. Reading wise i think this was the weakest one. I know on paper it would be the Character test one, but it happened along side the God's meeting/gathering beginning, so reading thru it seemed smoother or more exciting?

Ty Cooper

Good call

Kendra D

Thanks for the chapter you cliffhanger god!

Seen Death

While i also dont want to promote cliffs, the existence of them implies there is something that is worth looking foward to, which i do heavily value. So i think its fine. Id argue that pretty much nomatter what chapter was release on a friday it would always seem like a cliff to the interested readers because they have to wait regardless

Seen Death

I understand, but jakes gotta figure it out himself haha

John Balman

LoL finally got the dungeon to smile LoL awesome!!!!!! And Jake was going fullllll Jake

Zogarth

Imma just yoink that edit :P

ItsFin

The rest will probably be the actual dungeon reward(s)

Hayden Leech

Arnold’s transcendent skill is gonna be wild

dragonslaver

Usually it's lunch for me

Mat

I bet on 20%. His best submission is the marble yet it did not break the scenario for the 25% score

Jeff McCulley

On the Monday after a cliffie, still manages a cliffie. Maestro! *I’m going to assume that the lengths of her comments are what made it a Cliff. Or, that plus waiting for the evaluation would have been a cliffhanger anyway, so may as well dump them and the reactions together tomorrow. Er, right?

Jeff McCulley

I think she’s going to give him the option of either 25%—or 20%, and keep one or all of his creations. I say that assuming that Temlat is really gone, and not resurrectable.

Jeff McCulley

Yes, extra comma.

BerciTheBeast

TFTC!

PatienceHoney

Absolutely!

Joseph Coonelly

"However, as this Creation also exemplifies your Bloodline and many concepts related to it in such an overwhelming fashion, its impact on all other Creations also heavily reliant on your Bloodline or arcane affinity is not to be underestimated." There's nothing specifically wrong I can see but the way its written is extremely lengthy and confusing. Just suggest a rewrite for ease of reading, had to read again a few times. Completely understand if you don't even change anything either. "However, since this Creation exemplifies your Bloodline and the many concepts related to it in such an overwhelming fashion, the impact it has on all your other Creations that utilize your Bloodline or arcane affinity is not to be underestimated." Something like that just flows much better. Like I said though, completely understand if you change nothing at all, didn't even want to mention this originally, as there is nothing wrong with the original, just a little confusing to read. Thanks for the great chapter!

Decibel790

"No questions, at least not any, I think you will answer" I think it should be "at least, not any I think you will answer" Thanks for the chapter!

SmokeJam

Lovely cliff. At some point I'm gonna jump it just to avoid the hanging.

Sam Rosenberg

Looking forward to more temlat tomorrow…

jazz

Victor: he’s still editing the chapters to a specific length. The cliffs aren’t random as a result of reading ahead. Especially when you look at the length of chapters. Very deliberate

Jeannie moody

Tftc - anyone else read these with their morning coffee? Makes work days just a smidge better.

Ty Cooper

I loved Nevermore's reaction with the topic of true souls. She got a kick out of Jake if nothing else. I feel she was amused everytime she tossed Jake out after submitting his projects.

Mack

Heh. Even your worst creations are good compared to most. “Relative” indeed. I admit I’d have liked a bit better evaluation of the ‘conversation’ submission but otherwise this is great and going as expected.

Ty Cooper

Wow! His padawan gets a whole... well maybe half a chapter. I am guessing the gods will have a portion of the next chapter. Well hoping. I love the God commentators.

Zogarth

Fix

Victor Augusto Dantas Ferreira

But we only get the feeling of cliff hanging because we are "cheating" and reading on a daily release. When I was reading the books it was rare that a book would end on a cliffhanger.

Bobtur

He’ll shoot his prey through the 4th wall to prove perception is the best stat.

Nate Green

Tftc

Mathias Eriksson

TYFTC but damn that cliff hanger

Endern

Thank you for the chapter! Edit suggestion: change "yet" to "already" here Arnold, that weird guy. He must have done well in here if he has done this Challenge Dungeon yet.

KollegvomMirgan

Do you think that when Jake has unlocked the full potential of his bloodline that he will break the 4th wall and look at the reader?

Mathias

Me too, but at least it wasnt a side character pov chapter, so im happy nonetheless

JJB4345_80_815

Thank you for the chappy, Zogarth! I'm not surprised that the evaluation went into a second chapter. I'm just glad that 90% of the evaluation is done and just need the final #. 20% or 25%? Or could it even be 10% or 15%? I think that he has at least 20% but honestly it's hard to tell when the Architect refused to compare his submissions to Arnold.

Gavin

Pretty expected so far as interpretations of his submission relative to each other. The hilarious bit about superiority was gold. I am curious how all this is gonna look once he's done in Nevermore finally. He's truly come into his own as a proper prodigy not just of Earth but the universe with more than his weird instinct as proof.

Ted Burgess

One thing to consider: in RL, evaluations for the benefit of the participant are to provide real time feedback for the purpose of learning and improving. One of the more frustrating experiences of academia is when a prof waits to grade assignments until the end of the semester, eclipsing the possibility of implementing the feedback and thus improving along the way. If the feedback is to benefit the participant, it is best delivered upon submission. I realize you love the cliff hanger device in your writing, Zog; and, for the most, it keeps us coming back. I think any literary device is enhanced when it is used intermittently. It brings a sense of balance to the craft and keeps us readers on our toes. At the moment, cliff hangers have lost their luster a bit, which happens when they lose their “surprise” element and become routine/ expected.

Athyrium

Damn, another cliff hanger... but that was interesting to say the least.

Vinstro

Oh boy, here comes the good one! :D

jazz

Aye aye aye. Such unnecessary cliffs

Ethan Alexander

No one is superior, only stronger....... For now.

Karim Saadi

Stupid System, I wanted to know more about the marble :(

Zogarth

Fix

Zogarth

Fix

I really wanted to See the Damn achievement, especially after the weekend, but still a great chapter!

Star

*very proad conclusions -> very broad conclusions

Jason Hardman

TYFTC. Should "proad" be "broad"?

Yaldabaoth

Woohoo!

Tyfc!!

BlackRazaras

Thanks for the chapter


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