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Chapter 797 - Nevermore: Minaga's Nightmare Begins

🕑 Added 2023-11-28 11:55:37 +0000 UTC

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Olof Karlsson

Thanks to the chapter!

Endless Nature

Thanks for the chapter

JJB4345_80_815

Any mushroom levels and Jake will take it as a personal affront and make him try harder, just like how the Battlemaster shot Jake with a crossbow caused Jake to get serious.

JJB4345_80_815

I'm a patron of Defiance of the Fall by The First Defier as well. As a comparison, the main protagonist Zac Atwood is still only in D-grade (Hegemon). In fact, he JUST made it into that level after over 1,100 chapters and has a long way to go before hitting C-grade. Compared to that, this story is trucking. Did anybody else read the Ten Realms series by Michael Chatfield? That was one that I didn't like the slow pacing UNTIL he hurried the pacing for the 9nth and 10th realms which I personally felt like the author got sick of writing the story himself and just decided to slap an ending to it and call it a day. What am I trying to say? Honestly, I don't care about how slow or fast the story moves anymore, just that the content is worth my time to read it. Is the story still good? Am I still invested in this story? Right now, I LOVE this arc, but that's just me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just let the author tell the story how he wants to. It's his story and I am just here for the ride. Stories get ruined so often when the author feels pressure to change how they write it. That's why people react so strongly to negative remarks. Change isn't always positive.

Didn't he spend like a million years doing that? I don't know if I would call it a single fit l.

Henscratch

I know it won’t delay him. That’s the point. For everyone else it’s a problem but for him it’s like it’s tailor made for him to succeed BUT forces him to put up with the hated water to take advantage of it. It capitalizes his cheater-ness and turns it around to give him a hard time. The overarching delay theme is just justification for it to exist for “all participants”. Everyone hates water so it’s no good for the general levels but the personal challenges you could get away with it existing.

JonO

That means nothing when it comes to being petty and spiteful. Like if my asshole friend suddenly can't have cheese due to a new allergy or something.... but fucking loved cheese. I'm totally going to eat a shit ton of cheese in front of them because i too am an asshole friend. Hence sure minaga also hates water levels.... but also knows Jake hates them. He's currently love-hating Jake for breaking his labyrinth, therefore he breaks Jake by drowning him in an underwater labyrinth.

James martin

Seems like it’s enough content to bring it to everyone’s attention 😂 sorry I’m not long winded.. but I’m just voicing what I’ve felt and what others have said. Just fyi people can be patrons of multiple authors. Have a good day mate don’t get too angry.

Thenais

Spoiler for next chapter : minaga ripping his hair out

Seen Death

Idk jake might have a pretty difficult time if there was a diplomacy level with canibal mushroom-oids as the inhabitants, who only have meetings over dinner. Gotta not kill the mushrooms, so you can eat their prepared mushrooms in order to talk to the mushrooms lol. Nah i think this challenge dungeon is strictly maze- stuff, unlike minagas portion of non-challenge dungeon dungeon

Seen Death

"3. To hopefully get this moving along. This book is being made fun of in other books comment sections, “ god this arc was slow but it wasn’t primal hunter slow.” And myself and lots agree. " Lmao guy is just trolling. While zogarth does have quite the following, the only people who can have any opininion on nevermore are his patrons, as the released books havent reached that far yet. You are literally in the midst of the only people who can give actual input, and the majority of people are enjoying nevermore. Sure there is a number who are not content, but nomatter what anyone does somebody wont appreciate it. There were even some people who complained after Valdy fight- debatably the most impactful chapter so far. While it is perfectly fine that you have a differing opinion as me, if you dont want to look dim-witted you should probably have some actual content in your words.

Seen Death

It is funny jake takes it so casually with villy, who once wiped 20% of the universe out in a single fit of rage

Justus Saucedo

I want someone to give minaga the idea. "So Jake's likes puzzles. And hates water levels. Mix the two and make Jake like water levels as the ultimate payback."

Gavriel

Continue 😂, intuition cheat!

SmokeJam

Villy wouldn't want to allow it, but he also already stated that it is impossible to stop Minaga from whatever Minaga wants xD So I can definitely see that happening, don't forget he already left a clone with Vesperia

SmokeJam

Is this a patreon comment section or bloody twitter? Don't remember anyone asking for whiteknights. With your lecturing you gave this comment actual traction, if you dont like it, dont engage with it... To the OC: well you actually are skipping the speedrun chapters then xD I don't see this dragging on for more than 2 or 3 chapters with Jakes cheat engine.

Aladanor

But it's 4.420.069

Red Viking

Poor Minaga.

SmokeJam

He can't and won't. Not just the Wyrmgod, but the system itself is enforcing balance and as much as possible fair chances to everyone in Nevermore. Otherwise the leaderboard would be utterly useless

SmokeJam

Minaga hates water levels too, he confirmed that with Jake already in the labyrinth before

SmokeJam

Minaga won't do a water level. He already confirmed that shared opinion with Jake in the labyrinth floors prior

SmokeJam

It was mentioned some chapters ago that he could only see the Wyrmgod doing the recording. He just knew that the Viper was already there and now after meeting the gods, it's natural to assume that at least the bigshots are now watching

JonO

Honestly there are two ways to with further incend or cause Jake to just say fuck it and quit. Mushroom and water levels.... especially if they're successive lol.

JonO

I want to know how annoyed minaga gets when Jake easily doubles the average count.....or Jake could simply keep track and leave after breaking the average just to show minsga some face.... he won't but it's a tactic to get at minaga either way lol

Asas

Only when it was streamed live. He couldn't tell, when it was streamed with delay from recording.

Asas

Then allow me the same honesty in the order of your points. 1. If we take your words as truthful, then it is doubtful that you even read the whole chapter or how much of it. And if you didn't, then your comment is almost worthless as a feedback. 2. What knowledge will he gain from your comment? That you haven't read it and are skipping the next ones. That's it. 3. Do you honestly think that in the theoretical situation in which Zogard would be considering changing pace (which I theorize is your point, as you didn't specify any precise problem), your comment in its "witty" wording would help? 4. There is no information to sugarcoat, only unwitty remarks without substance.

Daniel Hogan

I remember now - there were traps that teleported you to different locations, usually bad, but sometimes were actually shortcuts. His intuition let me know when it was a shortcut.

kry

I like that Jake can tell how many are watching even through the recording. Does that mean Jake was able to tell the whole time??

kry

There were teleporters they used to skip parts of the other labyrinths, but I think they used something else to cheese them than Jake’s intuition. Maybe they tried sending some of the plants through? I can’t remember, but I know they had teleporters they used to skip parts of the labyrinth.

kry

Oops just skipped a super fun chapter. Not everything needs to have pacing set to 100, that would just get exhausting when reading several chapters in a row

Finn

Sounds fun, but wont delay Jake either. Jake is just such a cheat. The Traps he can sense for their exact position and structure to easily destroy them while poison ... he is the Chosen of the Viper. So not sure if such lvl should really be shown in the Jake point of view or rather as Run ending Floors for others. Maybe 1 or 2 for Jake but most for others.

James martin

How isn’t that productive, it’s pretty to the point? I think everyone understands what I meant and it’s gotten lots more attention. You knew exactly what I meant and it took 1 sentence not a paragraph.

Ral

Jake is C rank with little care about what others do. Right now to everyone powerful he is a resource or a investment. The only enemies he could be making now would be fanatics. Fanatics like from the church of the primordials.

Ilinorin

You can be honest and give feed back and not sugar coat things, but just saying oh this is dumb back to skipping isn't productive or helpful. You saying hey this section is slow and would be better if the pacing was faster, or had less repetitive descriptions and moved the plot along faster <- that would be a better way of stating things and actually be useful for the author. Whether or not he took your opinion seriously enough to change things of course is up to him, but at least it'd be an opinion worth listening to rather than your original statement.

Ilinorin

It'd be fun to see him change the challenge dungeon for like the b grade section to a social interaction challenge where you are forced to seduce people and gather information from people who have limited conversation options/responses just because of Jake.

Ilinorin

Considering he could just make a lower lvl clone and have him follow Jake anywhere outside of the 93rd universe, it could Def lead to some fun. I'd love to see him send one to the order and have it become a local annoyance at his residence even if I know it wouldn't happen because Villy wouldn't want to allow it.

Christopher Hendrix

Honesty 👍

Ilinorin

There weren't teleporters last time, but there were things they had to find where he cheesed it with his intuition, so I'm pretty sure Minaga won't be surprised at all since he has already done something similar.

One Winged Angel

I really do appreciate that regardless of Minagas constant whining, he is fully engrossed with Jake and by extension, Artemis. He just appreciates an unbias critique of his dungeon by a completely unbias source, he totally appreciates the feedback and feels like rewarding the help by absolutely shipping the huntress and hunter.

James martin

I write it because 1. It’s honest and it’s not just me, my friend group who read this mostly have the same conclusion. 2. The author should know how I feel before he publishes it(not that it changes anything) 3. To hopefully get this moving along. This book is being made fun of in other books comment sections, “ god this arc was slow but it wasn’t primal hunter slow.” And myself and lots agree. I’d appreciate if people were honest with me if I were writing this. Yeah it wasn’t sugar coated. Love the material and Jake but just frustrated. Ty for writing these Zogarth

Henscratch

There should be a level where he has to a long, sectional airlock-like corridor of nothing but constant complicated impossible to avoid traps that take a while to dismantle one-by-one; vs. a water level shortcut that has impossible to avoid poison seaweed/anemone to swim through that normally would make people wait for them to safely recede in a set patternafter solving his hints. Both time delay options but the one that’s better in every way has the only drawback of being a damnable water section.

Atoms88

I see Jake going past the point of designed levels, to stuff the system has to make up to actually challenge him, with Minaga and the Wyrm god both taking notes.

Luke Scheffe

Man just skipped one of the best chapter over being salty.

Luke Scheffe

He needs to make them for every grade anyway. Why not have the peak C grade maze by followed by the initial B grade maze?

Malth

The Coliseum felt far too long but I can't imagine the remaining dungeons are going to be as drawn out. I doubt Nevermore will be finished before the end of the year but I'd certainly hope the Challenge Dungeons are and that the team's back together for their dive with the remaining decade of time which will likely include some commentary about everyone's growth in the challenge dungeons.

Malth

*Sees title* Yes... Ha ha ha... YES!

Isley

good chappie

Hydrabogen

The reason is pretty clear no? He's frustrated about the content of the Nevermore Arc.

Aaron Schwartz

OK I haven’t even started reading this yet… but I’d like to say that I’m disappointed. The title totally should’ve been “Minaga’s Minightmare”

Aerlevsedi

To be fair he has fairly limited means of making it harder for Jake unless he makes a more fundamental change to the very concept of his dungeon.

Acidionis

Don't think he can do that or else he would have just found a way to make it more difficult for Jake in the first place since he knew what he was going to do from the earlier levels

Asas

Why did you even write that comment? Is it helpful? No. Is it clever? No. Is it disrespectful? Yes. So why do it??? And I mean that I wanna know the reason.

Austin Richins

Oh yeah, that would be golden. With Jake commenting on the creepiness of a sexless being throwing "kids" into multiple sexual fantasy situations, then complaining about numerous voyeurs tuning in.

Chailles

You would have to argue that Minaga, after making what he originally believes to be impossible, decided to make enough impossible challenges after that one. They seem to be pretty personally made, so I can't imagine Minaga using procedural generation to make them ad infinitum and scale endlessly.

Austin Richins

No way. There's totally going to be an end. Jake will find it and Minaga will be extra salty.

Hunter Thornton

Welp I do believe Jake has earned a mountain of new enemies. After Jake’s time in the endless labyrinth Minaga is definitely gonna bump the difficulty up a few notches

BlackRazaras

Thanks for the chapter

John Looney

Villy killed void beasts that are as strong as godkings/queens only oras and the one that called jake harbinger before the party were referred to as void gods which have primordial levels of powers or at least similar as they have villys respect

john henderson

I’m fairly certain there were teleporters the last time as well

john henderson

The beauty of Minaga as a character is that we can reasonable expect to encounter him in near every dungeon outside of the 93rd universe

James martin

Ugh back to skipping chapter, knocked that read out in 18 seconds flat lol I hope the gods start talking again and they suddenly are like look at the time we’ve been chatting for 25 years Jake is about to leave nevermore and he’s broken it.

john henderson

But what if he just made level 69 that way for everyone, and most others just breezed through it yk

Jana

He met 2 Void Gods, one of them, Oras, twice. During the Teleport to the Chosen Ceremony with Miranda, Maria,Caleb etc. they are intercepted by 2 Void gods.

john henderson

Logically, the end would just be when the difficulty scales beyond the scope of possible for a C grade in the time allotted, so while not technically an end it would still serve as one

Tommy

This fucking chapter had me chuckling with glee! 442069 average sections done huh 😏😎

Blake Noyes

Don’t think he can individualize it like that

Dominick Gelardi

It's a hilarious idea though

Chailles

There's totally gonna be a part where it's revealed that the "Endless" Dungeon is not quite as "Endless" as most would believe, won't there?

Darthnarciss

I mean, yeah he's not a counter to valdemar, but his bloodline directly overpowered valdemars transcendence. Yeah it took him 9 times, becuase he didn't let it loose. Once he did, once he accepted that a loss was a loss whether his life was actually on the line or not, he smoked Valdemar (i mean, not really, but it sounds good). Then, his presence backed by his Bloodline, directly held back Valdemars presence, a true Primordial, while in the C grade and even protected Artemis at the same time. As Valdemar said, Jake won. So yeah, not a counter in the standard rock/paper/scissors meaning, but definitely in the my thing beat your thing meaning.

IceHeart

Except he did call it a straight answer before the actual answer, so that sentence is correct and doesn't need to be changed

Darnell Maxwell

I wouldn't say he's a counter to Valdemar. Jake is just strong. Nothing about his bloodline specifically counters Valdemar. That's why it took him 9 tries to eek out a lucky win.

Darnell Maxwell

Jake only met one void god. Both times it was Oras looking at him. And Villy does want smoke with Void gods. He killed a bunch of them after that meeting. He just doesn't want to fight Oras specifically since he sees no reason too. Oras is sentient so why waste time killing someone when you can scam them out of their possessions with a good deal?

Jonathan

Alright, Jake called it a straight answer, but at least it was an answer. Alright, Jake hardly called it a straight answer, but at least it was an answer.

StuBee3

TFTC 😎

Tim Schillinger

Like a breeze

Linzey17

Can't wait to see how salty Minaga is by the end of it. What's the bet Jake gets the record for most labyrinths completed by a C grade and in record time?

Jeremy M

4-420-69 sections... Nice 🤣

Asas

Yeah, that won’t happen directly after Nevermore, if ever. He still has too low grade for that.

Michael Fannon

Anyone else hopes that Minaga learned that the best counter to Jake's cheating is to throw him in awkward social situations? Like another Harem level? Seen from Artemis's view with comments for the primordials? Yes, please

JJB4345_80_815

Gratitude for the chappy! I see what you did here, oh great and mighty Zogarth! Everyone knows he's going to cheese THIS dungeon, so to keep us in suspense over how well Jake will do in the OTHER challenge dungeons, you decided to get this one over with first! Still, Minaga does make this fun 😊

Tyler S.

Wonder how much this challenge will hinder el'haky 🤔. Tyftc Zog

Den

Jake is speedrunning Minaga's Labyrinth so fast I expect a Karl Jobst video on this chapter sooner rather than later!

Mack

Hard pass but you do you lol

Iron

Thanks for the chapter <3

Michael Fannon

And Umbra. And Eversmile. And Valdemar. Jake is going to be real popular adter he gets out of the nevermore. Least with Artemis, the honey traps will mostly stop. Jake seduced and hooked up with a near godqueen that is famous for never hooking up. Who is going to compare to that?

S.w.

Hell yeah. Speed runs.

Joshua Morris

“It will get harder, okay? I promise. Just… it may take a bit, alright?” Jake should have offered Minaga a potion to help with that.

Mohammed Sheekh

I feel like the only people jake would have to tread carefully around are the void gods, like the 2 he met when he was teleporting, even villy wanted no smoke with them

Chase Koehn

Tftc! Love always hearing Minaga complain🤣

brennon Petersen

Tftc!

Ben Heystek

good work

Eiv

Thanks!

BerciTheBeast

TFTC! The bullying is real haha.

Stevean Bozek

Minaga is truly one of the best characters introduced to this series. I hope he becomes a staple outside of Nevermore as he's clearly become very interested in our favorite hunters nonsense

Jake could use Minaga as an endless source of salt

Daniel Hogan

How fuming is Minaga going to be over Jake's intuition cheating the teleporters. I bet he expects Jake to avoid them completely or something.

Florian

I cant wait until Nevermor is over and Artemis comes to visit Jake in the order. Villy then coming over for a beer. Artemis in Jakes arm on the Sofa in a constant state of panic caused by the casual insults Jake throws at Villy every now and then while chatting as usual.

Ethan Alexander

We come for the story, we stay for Minaga's bitching

Kylas

Brilliant!

Frederik

Man cant way to hear arty comments

Devin

i need artemis pov

Luboš Hemala

There is now the easy mode, the hard mode and the Jakely mode.

Decibel790

Haha, poor minaga. So underappreciated. Thanks for the chapter!

Valhazstromoz

Lmfao minaga being the best wingman ever giving Jake a chance to show off to arty

Yaldabaoth

Wooohoooo

Zach

Thanks for the chapter

Naotsugu97

TFTC! Jake is such a hard counter to Minaga. Lol

Overlord1993

First!


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