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Trope Talk: Grimdark!

🕑 Added 2020-09-25 15:05:00 +0000 UTC

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SlightlyEmbittered Productions

'People who actually deal with very upsetting stuff on a daily basis often activity avoid all things grimdark and favor lighthearted optimistic media.' Thank you. It's also the reason that some people avoid haunted houses or scary movies.

Bill Lemmond

Thanks for pointing out, near the end, that people who have, or have had to, deal with real darkness prefer taking a break from it. I know that - for health reasons - I need to stick generally to happy, funny stories. Terry Pratchett is definitely in my wheelhouse.

Seekerlano

I completely agree.

SlightlyEmbittered Productions

Thank you Red for talking about Grimdark and Realism. A lot of people seem to think that darker themes and tones automatically makes your story more realistic. It doesn't. Being more realistic doesn't mean you're automatically more miserable.

NEON725

I agree that "platonic ideal grimdark" is self-defeating. Undermines some pretty foundational aspects of storytelling, too. I derive the enjoyment from backing off from that extreme a little bit to explore the contrast. A candle in a dark room is brighter than a bonfire at noon. A world seeped in grimdark lets the truly heroic characters shine with a stronger contrast than in a world where everything was kinda cheery to begin with. In this case, we're not rooting for them to "win", we're rooting for them to not be broken. Or at least enjoying the catharsis and release that comes with settling for minor victories.

CaitSeith

“In any other year I would had called that ‘unrealistic’”. That’s a pretty sobering grim joke.

Seekerlano

I don't blame you, Red. You are right that "grimdark" does NOT equal "realistic." As for its weird appeal? I think that "grimdark" really says less about stories, and more about us humans. We humans...are as crazy and confusing as grimdark.