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State of the Art (Live stream)
🕑 Added 2023-05-05 12:49:17 +0000 UTCTalking points are prepped and the beer is cold, next week it's back to Baudrillard and Warhol but I wanted to do something dufferent this week so drop by if you're free.
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Miguel de Jesus
Also, Blue Period is a fucking fantastic manga about art students. Don't know how nice the anime adaptation is though.
Miguel de Jesus
Fun stream Pills. Just to share an anecdote: In my first year of gradschool in New York, I happened to receive an invitation to Jeff Koons's year-end studio party in Manhattan through a circuitous personal connection. The whole thing was about what you'd expect -- exactly zero art was actually discussed by anybody; it felt more like a kind of relief package for underpaid and overburdened interns more than anything. People were eating giant German bagels off of our necks and getting shitfaced into the late hours. Lots of fun to witness as a disinterested spectator. I might have dismissed the whole thing as soulless corporate shilling at the time, but now I see its ironic & Baudrillardean value. Also, if anyone is interested in paint as a substance, longtime Nature contributor and science writer Philip Ball has a fantastic book on the history of art via the history of dye and paint chemistry, called Bright Earth. I also accidentally stumbled on a definitely-under-the-table art storage facility for Asian art tucked inside some graduate student housing here, but I guess that's a story for another day.
Plastic Pills
When it comes to painting an AI can't "learn from mistakes" because it wouldn't know what a mistake is unless you told it what to "go for". A human artist only kinda knows what he or she is going for and then some accidents can be deemed fuckups but other accidents can be part of an evolution of what you're "going for". To get around this you'd have to somehow tell an ai to paint how it wants to with an open-ended goal... I don't think that's even conceivable but I suppose not impossible. To the second one, It's that art used to be the sole guardian of the image, and even then art was not truly a distinct social category (separate from other little rituals)... but advertising, because it has its use for the image, has no concern for its meaning. Endless proliferation shows that the secret of the image (that it can mean something) isn't anything like that. Art is dead because it doesn't have a role in a transparent society
anacidcommie
A question: So if the AI had a robot arm and learned from each new painting to perfect its technique, learned from mistakes and stuff, is there any other way to differentiate it from the human experience except for subjectivity? Also, I hope you elaborate on the whole "art is dead because advertising killed it" thing. Is this because image technology has advanced so much and images so easily available (with advertising behind this progress and ubiquity) that the idea of going to a gallery to look at images has become pointless? Or because pretty much all images exists as commodities in one way or other and so the idea of "art for art's sake" is dead? Or is it a combination of the 2?
Alex B
Expression>realism for sure (linear>tonal IMO), but shouldn't that translate as substance>process?
anacidcommie
Pills, I feel you re that back pain/not being able to paint for as long as you'd like. Say what you want about 20 year olds, those mfers just don't have those problems!
Becca Mhalek
This was awesome. Thank you!
