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Pill Pod 182 - Bataille on Sacrifice (exclusive)

🕑 Added 2024-09-06 22:00:04 +0000 UTC

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Khemith

Sacrifice serves as a tool of homeostasis with the environment. Innefficiency must be the logic that replaces capitalism.

Alyn

Yes, I've been using it for ages, had no idea it had apparently become zoomer slang

anacidcommie

I don’t think the point is to incorporate what these premoderns were doing, but arguing for the opposite, to serve as an idea for a post capitalist society, because you cannot incorporate a system based on destroying value instead of creating it and accumulating it endlessly in capitalism, which is largely defined by the latter. I think the point is that we devalue accumulation, and that any future social system should account for the possibility of accumulation of material wealth and make sure to nip that shit in the bud.

anacidcommie

I almost always listen to pillpods twice for this reason, but also for memory consolidation, because a lot of ideas can be touched on and explained in 1.5 hours. Not to mention how it’s an extra opportunity to connect what you know so far with what the Pod are saying in the current episode.

Eli

Now do Eroticism death and sensuality

Alex B

There is mounting evidence of childhood trauma exasperated stressors manifesting as deadly illnesses and the efficacy of emotional treatments against them. Pure quantitive truth is weak here, even in its most effective domain (medicine). Nervous semiotics put death drive directly into the body. We are disposable for something no matter what we do.

Zachary Manenti

What are your recommended secondary sources on Bataille, now that u mentioned secondary sources?

Florian F.

Mexican is the name that the Aztecs had for themselves

Zachary Manenti

Listening a second time is so rewarding. All your ‘serious’ stuff requires at least 2 listens, even if it appears more accessible and easy than it is. For the podcast world that is quite an accomplishment. Wondering too… Bataille lays out the ‘What is” opposing the ‘what will be’… but what about, what u have all mentioned before: ‘the what will have been’ ?

Matt S

Incredible AoE reference tie ins

Jack

Wow does Isaac really mean laughter? In bataille I read laughter is the convulsion that shows the insufficiency of the center. Does Isaac’s nature show an insufficiency in being like that in the Bible?

Zachary Manenti

I think it would be cool if y’all weighed in on the Old Testy sacrifice (near sacrifice?) of Isaac. What is that all about vis a vis the “history” of sacrifice? Like did the Jewish tribe move from animal sacrifice to human, and then at the last moment, moved on from that when God, I guess, decided it was enough to be willing to sacrifice what was most precious to you, but you no longer had to actually do it? What is goin on there? And also, what’s up with Isaac’s name which means “laughter?” (S/laughter). That would be an interesting addition to this arc on the sacred and sacrifice and the gift in constituting the “intimacy” of the social. Also, perhaps to get away from this (you mentioned Heidegger) kinda creepy mystical ‘intimacy” Lacan goes for “extimacy”? Lastly, what do you all think of Agamben’s “Homo Sacer”? I have never read it, but it seems like maybe we should take a look at it? It seems to address some of the things brought up here in terms of modern society politics vs old world in relation to sacrifice. Isn’t it also interesting to contrast “consumption” in Aztec society and as Bataille figures it, and how Baudrillard views consumption and consumers in simulation society? Both in some sense eschew “production,” and are a matter of excess, but to different ends. The former is an effect that limits growth in the somewhat paradoxical transitoriness that all excess is potentially, but which in Aztec culture leads to the stability of a society, the other the limitlessness of the endless demand for market growth.

Jack

Bataille was a stone cold freak lol I learned about him recently when someone shared his piece the Labyrinth. Very interesting essay that works through hegel and Kant to talk about what I assume must be the 20s findings in quantum physics. The insufficiency of being is connected to growth. Very interesting stuff about universals being the Minotaur and compositional centers. The center of sufficiency basically empties out the being of its elements but ritually exposing the insufficiency of the center is totalizing. Totality seeming to be the real threat that years apart nothingness.

Dony Top5

Wait. None of you have read A Stranger in a Grange Land? I just can't grok that.

James Aydelotte

Interesting- I didn’t know about Papi Scientology in regards to the history of ‘grok’- first Jack Parsons then Robert Heinlein

Matthew Theisen

yep, the 1961 sex cult book (written when Heinlein was with wife 3, his politics shifted with his marriages.) In a previous marriage with wife 2, Heinlein had a threesome with L Ron Hubbard famous for the “Church of Scientology” and the Battlefield Earth book source https://newrepublic.com/article/118048/william-pattersons-robert-heinlein-biography-hagiography

ageOfBumFires

Erik, as always I'm here for the AOE deep cut. I believe the cheat code gave you a corvette that had unlimited ammo, because, why not? 😅 I'd also be remiss apropro the topic of sacrifice if I didn't point out the practice in AOE to " cull your villagers" once you have sufficiently boomed your economy, to make population space for military. The stuff around 40:00, about what is the actual mixture ratio of religious beliefs, straussian conspirator, individual or collective opportunism, underlying metaphysical reality of some unconcious steering sacrifice as collective organism survival....just seems like another "the truth is in the gaps" things. Or that, when such conflicting aims are manifest simultaneously, it gives a snapshot into a changing of the guard itself, or at least, changing of form. Something like that. Like in Cheney, there is this battle of ideas just like in larger society, a society inside an individual inside a society. Word. Lmao Pills 52:00 is it known whether modern day suicide bombers are given some lavish party before their self sacrifice? A video purely on the different conceptions, forms, rituals of sacrifice would be interesting.

James Aydelotte

Ok last one: you guys put this out today… Dr. Justin Sledge on the Esoterica YouTube channel put out a video on Moloch- 8 hours ago… what does the zeitgeist have in store for us?

James Aydelotte

Is there any chance of a look at Evola as a counterpoint to Bataille?

Michiel Saey

Please more age of empire jokes in my philosophy podcast. Very based. Also, to test the water, any DJ peach cobller viewers? He made like a 5 hour long essay on the Aztecs that plays very nicely with this.