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Sneak Peek: The Publishers - Stephen Buonocore
🕑 Added 2016-08-22 13:50:01 +0000 UTC The next installment of The Publishers is just about ready, and as one of our patrons, you get a special preview! This time we talk with Stephen Buonocore of Stronghold Games! Thanks again for your support! ~ Chris & SuzanneThis interview was conducted at Metatopia 2016. It has been edited for clarity and length.
Stronghold Games got a foothold in the industry by doing reprints and by licensing games from outside of North America. Do publishers need some kind of angle to break into the industry?
It certainly was the way that we did it. Once we got past that beginning phase, we then said, OK, now we've established ourselves, now we'll go out and start looking for other things.
Do companies now need a hook? I think companies now need to bring out great games. I'll mention Kickstarter. Now you have a vehicle there so you can get the publicity that is invaluable. Not only can you get the capital that's invaluable--and let me tell you, that's really important--but you get publicity that's invaluable too.
Everybody really needs to be bringing out games that excel in some way. There are just too many games coming out--and I'm as responsible as anybody! But we need to focus on what are truly great games, and if you're bringing out great games, the gamers will find you, especially with a vehicle with a built-in marketing capability like Kickstarter.
How can a publisher identify a great game?
That's the secret sauce. I always ask any designer who pitches me a game, or when I'm evaluating an already-published game from overseas, why should this game be published? What's the game doing in our space that sets it apart? And if there's not something new going on here, if you're just turning red cubes into green cubes and putting them on the other side of the board, that sounds like something that's been done a few times, or a few hundred times. So you need to find games that have a uniqueness to them.
Beyond that, it's gut feel. There's no way of throwing the ingredients into a pot and then boom, there's your great game. You're going to need to use your experience as a gamer, then test it with gamers and get feedback.
How does it excel in one of three ways: thematically, mechanically or, my own word, funtastically? If you can say this game does it better or more uniquely than anything else in one of those categories, then we've got something we can start talking about.
How big a factor is it for a designer to have a reputation in the industry, if they're looking to build relationships with a publisher? Is it a big deal from a publisher's perspective to get a "name" designer?
I think the answer's going to change depending on who you speak to, but for me it is. It is a big deal. I think that games by known designers have an automatic sell. You're going to get the BoardGameGeek crowd to immediately latch onto a Stefan Feld game.
Having said that, that's the catch-22. You need experience to get a job, but you can't get a job unless you have experience, right? How do you do it?
A designer should try to crack in any way he can and get that first published game. But even if you can't do that, make as many relationships as you can because this industry, as much or more than any other, is about relationships. You get to know publishers, you get to network with them at conventions, people get to know you, so yeah, I think it is very important. Getting over that first hurdle of getting a game published is always going to be hard, but getting known in general in the industry is certainly going to serve you very well.
You've been striking up partnerships with a lot of other publishers, especially from overseas. How did you get into that approach?
I'm a relationship kind of guy. There was an opportunity to look toward these publishers out in Europe that just don't have distribution--they just distribute in Europe--and to meet up with them when we're in Essen or when we're at The Gathering of Friends, strike up a relationship, make them want to work with you. I want to strike up those relationships, because relationships are what make business grow. Doing that, going out and then looking at their lineup, certainly their new stuff and saying, hey, I'll get it out to a bigger audience--and for the most part most publishers want to see that happen. All publishers want to see their games find a bigger audience, and of course they get some extra money when that happens as well.
If a small publisher wanted to form those kinds of relationships, what piece of advice that would you have for them?
It's similar to finding designers to work with. Put yourself in a position to meet those other publishers. So for European or Japanese publishers, you should be at Essen. And you need to make appointments with them beforehand. Nobody takes a meeting if you just walk up and say, hey Asmodee, I want to take a meeting with you. It's not happening. You have to tell them what you're about beforehand and then try to get the meeting there. Having a catalog behind you, having a certain amount of sales behind you, is going to help. They better know who you are or they might not do that.
Again, it's a catch-22. You have to get a catalog, you have to get known a little bit. I wasn't taking these meetings from day one, but two years into this I could meet with almost anybody in the industry. So keep working on it, keep building your catalog, building your relationships, bringing out great games, and that effect, hopefully if you're doing it right, will snowball into bigger things for you.
