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Guild Mage 104

🕑 Added 2025-02-16 15:07:08 +0000 UTC

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lenkite

Feels completely correct that Humans have better Healers than Eld. Since the Eld can heal themselves through magic.

Kory Smith

My understanding is that Cel isn’t so much about forming ice as it is moving heat/energy, from the first lessons Liv had with her father. She wasn’t using the heat before his lessons, but since energy can’t be created or destroyed, at least according to real world physics, any use of Cel would generate energy that could be harnessed to keep warm.

Italo Lima Lopes

Thanks, I missed it. Makes sense.

Tarrim

That was in last chapter. Arjun was doubled up but the rest had their own horses.

Italo Lima Lopes

Amazing chapter. Just to clarify: Did the others also have horses? Or were they running from the shoals by foot?

Disgruntoad

Well, the problem is moreso that if she is "freezing water," there's hardly any vapor at subfreezing temps, so she'd just be transforming existing ice. However, she could be making her ice significantly colder. I'm not saying there aren't explanations the author can use, just that i think he should include one.

Tarrim

Melting/freezing ice has almost as much energy involved as raising it from freezing point to the boiling point iirc.

Tarrim

I actually would believe most eld don't have healing words. Given that they don't need them to heal themselves and most don't seem to learn many words. They may have had one or a few look at him. But they may have decided to save their mana for the cases they could save since he may not have been the only injured brought back. When Arjun offered to wake him it would have meant they didn't need to pull healers away from another patient just to exchange a few words. Why let Arjun look at all? First humans and eld seem close enough it doesn't matter he generally treats humans. He was dying anyway so not much he can do to make it worse. So let him have a look just in case he can help and to make Liv feel better in almost every case.

Disgruntoad

Also, minor magic physics criticism that could be hand-waved away as 'magic' but may be worth some extra thought. Waste heat generated for ice magic makes a lot of sense when the ambient temperature is above freezing, but when she's in the north and everything is at / below freezing, i do find myself suspending some disbelief. Not saying it's incompatible, just worth thinking about / addressing imho.

Disgruntoad

I have 3 issues with that. 1) They've had time to travel to get the best healers available. None better than a kid? 2) Elves live hundreds of years and (more) openly share words than humans do. They really wouldn't have anyone on hand with a decent healing spell? Seems like a common-sense thing. 3) Why is a (relatively) random foreign human working magic on their elder with no questions asked and a good likelihood he doesn't know anything about elven physiology... like, it's just a very cliche young adult fantasy moment.

Tarrim

One question I have is which language they were using. I am a bit confused by the one statement about Arjun and given he was in the room it isn't irrelevant. I at first thought he was confused by elden society now I realize it may have been the language he was struggling with.

Tarrim

Maybe its because everyone heals themselves or maybe house syva simply didn't have the key one of Arjun's words available. In the end all he did was give them a chance to talk I wouldn't be surprised if they had realized healing would fail already. And those that could have done what Arjun did may have been trying to save those who could actually be saved

Disgruntoad

I find it strange that Arjun has better healing magic than any of the millenia-old elves in the north? Certainly, one of them would have learned at least to the level of a human kid? I know words are important, but this just strikes me as off. Maybe explanation is forthcoming.

Piras

This is historically very sad too, I dont think there is any other eld in the world who remembers the war or anything of that time... losing this memory and this link to the past is also a massive loss for the world as a whole

Elaine

good chappie

Jake

Fully agree. I'm hoping Teph gets the chance to show some hidden brilliance or something.

Jake

Okay, regardless of the fussiness I had about the last couple of chapters, this was brilliantly written.

Fraser

100% agree with this sentiment. My only argument is that Liv is clearly not in a good mental state which is why this even happens. I mean, I would have appreciated some scenario where she comes and it causes a potential problem/crisis which could have been a point of growth for everyone involved. Other humans realising the true dangers of a high level shoal and Liv realising she’s not invincible which she is half acting like atm. That could have lead nicely into the discussion with her grandfather about not joining the war yet.

Tarrim

I have a hypothesis that she is amongst the first people that are technically neither half eld or half human and that it is getting around protections set in vaedim stuff to keep down their slaves. If correct she would presumably something like 49.99 percent human with 1000+ years there is more then enough time for one of her ancestors to be Mirrian without her knowing.

sings_with_toads

Beautifully written. Well done. My only false beat was Tephania coming when she's literally defenseless. The only reason it makes sense for her to come is if she can imprint a Word in the northern kingdom. Otherwise, I cannot imagine the headmaster or any reasonable leader allowing her to accompany. I'm glad Liv has loyal friends, but that's just irresponsible; she's literally dead weight, and they know they're going into a deadly rift

Alexander Johnson

Wonder if it has to do with her Vaedic heritage? Or, less likely, if it's some weird combination of Vaedic/eld/human heritage influencing things?

Gopard

Regardless of what exactly I think of the detailed circumstances leading to those guys accompany Liv... This chapter was very well written, the emotions were so palpable to me especially because just recently my own grandfather passed away too. Thank you for the chapter and for writing on such a beautiful story despite the in parts very harshly worded critique over the last few days!

Femboy

Dang RIP big man, he was a great character sad to see him pass on.

Tarrim

I have wondered if the others she senses are the missing vaedim.

Fraser

Almost feels like Liv can feel the history of the waystones and people that have previously traveled through them from how I read it if that even makes sense. Maybe in the future we will get some interesting context about the gods from it or I am overthinking this completely.

Tarrim

There is definitely something going on with Liv and the way stones. I wonder if others feel what she does. The only descriptions we have from others is Wren when the attack on soltheris happens and mistress traford mentioning traveling through waysyone feels like dying. Neither really fit what Liv experiences imo.

Fraser

Thx for the chapter really enjoyed reading this one if that’s even the right words for the context in the chapter. I think this shows well Livs mental state wasn’t in a great spot allowing her to even think bringing someone without magic northward a good idea. However, I personally would have liked a little more conflict on the escape from the rift to expand on the dangers. I also think seeing some of this chapter from another persons perspective could be quite interesting. Maybe seeing another perspective on the journey back could be quite interesting instead and will be interested to see what advancements happen with Cade back at the academy.

melchi

But yeah, the paragraph is deff a liv paragraph, just think it could be worded better.

Dave N

I'll tweak it!

Syrahl

My eyes were not dry by the end of me reading this, so, you did good.

Grayson

Wonderful chapter!!

melchi

" For a moment, he stared around the room as if uncertain where he was, and then Auris found his wife." At least for me it didn't read 'this is from Liv's perspective', the subject of the sentence is Auris, not Liv observing Auris. That could prob be made more clear, because at least for me it was kinda a speedbump, in the unreliable narrator category.

Dave N

Yes - and if this was written from Keri's perspective, I'd use Kwenim, but Liv is used to thinking in human terms. Do you think it's worth a moment of her remembering the word, or correcting herself?

Dave N

thank you!

Tarrim

She squeezed her eyes closed and let the years come, Years> tears

melchi

Kinda a minor thing but I thought the elven culture didn't have marriage. Like, shouldn't the word for grandparents partner be quenin or something? I thought husband/ wife was a human thing

Dave N

Phew, this one was tough to write. Eyes were not dry by the end; too many memories of my own grandparents passing.


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