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Chapter 119 God's Gifts

🕑 Added 2023-07-04 16:00:06 +0000 UTC

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MS

So appropriate that a person named Truth said, “He’s still here. Along with the kid who learned you never, ever, not for any reason or for anyone, work for free." That is a seriously important life lesson.

Addicted_Reader

Hmmmm…. I think that the context clues point to you setting up the gnostics (“anti-theists”) as being right. I have little knowledge of them irl, but didn’t they believe that Christ himself was still good? Maybe Truth is the Jesus? Actually that would be really cool. I need more chapters :)

Novel Cat

Love me some Truth lol. Never one to welcome being harmed financially, or any other way lol. Also love how Truth actually thinks his V-card is hidden "properly" 😂👀😂 It's So CUTE!!!!!!!!!! ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^ ^~^🤣 Thanks for the chap btw! 😊

_mori

That being said, I wonder what the condition is for getting them to come out and do their thing. So far they’ve only appeared twice. When Truth was incapacitated during his breakthrough to level 1, and when he was dead. Considering the Worm’s apparent anger, I don’t think they’re staying their mouths(?) for Truth’s sake. Maybe there’s a subconscious effort that Truth puts into forcing them to stay put. As far as we know, what they do hurts a great deal. And the rough patron did tell Truth that he could embrace the legacy or not, implying Truth himself sorta decides how much he’s changed by it, to an extent. Got sidetracked… My point was, perhaps the worms are only able to have free reign when truth isn’t able to stop them? Like when he’s not-dead dead, or incapacitated by ingesting a mystery drug.

_mori

What Cane’s legacy does to truth has never been framed as “anti-magic”, at least not in the “destabilize the reality so bad it doesn’t work” kind of way. With Truth (Cane), I think his closer resemblance to god (at least as hinted at by Cane) makes him more resistant to lesser effects, i.e., spells of the same and lower levels, to an extent.

Matthew Bernardin

Aww Merkovah you may be 600 years old. But son you have got to get up a lot earlier in the morning before you can even begin to try and scam this slum rat

gostsamo

Okay, here it is what I discovered to be the likely source of the worms. https://symbolsage.com/the-chnoubis-symbol-origin-and-meaning/ Regarding the ghouls and the antitheists, everything points to the material world being opposed to the reality of god and magic. However, the gnostic stuff that I've read has contradicting interpretations of what is the exact relationship - adversarial, mistake, or whatever. The ghouls worship Cane and are anti-magic. The worms are uber-magic and are part of what God did to Cane. At the same time, the ghouls pushed the worms in Truth. The antitheists are anti-magic, but don't seem to have direct link to Cane so far. Cane is quite magical himself. I might be missing something in piecing the puzzle, but it seems that the ghouls and the antitheists are similar but separate worships of Cane and his deeds. The bad thing is that I don't have good proofs in the text and I'm not sure what made Truth special in the very beginning. Cane managed to play with Truth's spark, so it is not something directly from the boss himself, but someone playing subterfuge somehow.

axel jensen

worms are angry at him for either not being real enough or possibly because they don't like how he is molding himself

John Anastacio

I love the arguments between Merkovah and Truth. For all Merko's dogmatism and fervent theism, they stand no chance against Truth's pragmatism and apatheism. M can preach all he want, but it does nothing to change T's mind. Another win for indifference. Interesting that the worms are in fact giant lions-headed serpents. If I had to guess, I'd say their anger is the reason why they insist on changing Truth to be more like his Rough Patron, their father, Cain. They're angry that Truth is not completely identical to Cain and are determined to erase that gap.

AnthraxRipple

That's a good point. To me, that would point to magic being something of divine nature, since magic seems to be connected to the soul and the gouls appear to worship the rough patron/demi-urge. Maybe gouls are critters that don't have ANY connection to the divine? Like, that shouldn't be possible since all things, including the demi-urge, emanate from God, but I think it would be a mistake for me to assume that this setting is running entirely on the same the theological framework from our world.

gostsamo

ghouls also defy magic, if it is of any interest to you

AnthraxRipple

Oh wow, lot to unpack with this one. Kind of interesting that the anti-theists seem almost identical to gnostic beliefs. Well, except for the part where they actively seek to break reality rather than reaching the divine through knowledge and refinement. Completely understand why merkovah is pissed about them in context. On the other hand, Yaldaboath is explicitly something that we've heard to exist, which is traditionally one of names of the demi-urge. (I also suspect he is the rough patron, but that's neither here nor there.) I don't know, but I suspect that based on what we've seen so far there is some measure of truth to both, but I don't honestly think we've encountered anyone powerful enough to grasp more than a shadows understanding of the situation. Regardless, thanks for the chapter, It's got me even more excited to see where this goes. EDIT: Also, a big question here is whether or not the demi-urge and by extension reality are evil in this setting. Sorry about all the rambling, I just am super interested in the world building for this one.

gostsamo

Here Truth starts the movement for fair hero payment. And every story automatically gets cooler if you add dragons. Never before worm dragons, but maybe Dune could be a precedent.


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