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Slumrat Rising Vol. 5 Chap. 55 The Celestial Clockwork Slips A Gear

🕑 Added 2024-05-24 16:00:20 +0000 UTC

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Andrea Calcagno

I believe you're mistaken, Etenesh has always been referred to as such before this point, and in all interactions not involving dreams or past lives. We are pretty clearly confronted with a past life of Truth, a past life that is probably before his big breaks and after he developed his own set of Self since we can see that even if he has yet to create his philosophy he at least is now proficient in the formulation of poignant questions. Also, the narrator's voice refers to Etenesh as Etenesh, Etenesh refers to Herself as Etenesh and only Truth calls her Etinesh in this particular context. Imho it is a deliberate choice and is also something that makes the reader think about the whys and hows of the metaphysics of this world. Is Truth's ongoing apotheosis part of his whole journey, or is it the destination? His connection with Etenesh is actually changing the past or it's just something that we see to show how important they are to each other in the process of ascension? Because what we see happening now is that an event of the past which included only truth, his friend group, and the philosopher, suddenly has Etenesh self-insert herself into the memory through their shared connection. Is she there because she was there in the past Truth reincarnations or did the apotheosis process somehow meld their soul in perpetuity through the universe, present and past? As for the acknowledgment bit, nobody is talking to her, the name Etinesh is only present in Truth's mind at the moment.

Deathly_God

I don't know if I'd say it's a rejection of agency and evil, so much as a fundamental humanist understanding that most people do things for reasons. Sometimes they don't understand all the reasons themselves, but they exist somewhere between the conscious and the subconscious. To more directly answer, can you claim that anyone made a malicious choice for no reason whatsoever? Even something as petty as, "I kicked this puppy because I was feeling bad, and I wanted to feel good by having power over something." A good example is the Netflix show, Baby Reindeer. Self destructive behavior fits nicely within your malicious choice example, but I think we can agree that the *intent* behind the actions also matters to some degree. Do you hurt people because you are hurt? Do you hurt people because you like it? Or do you simply hurt people, and that is all? To my understanding, the problem/question you are asking isn't readily answerable with Western (European) philosophy, because you are defining some *person* as some *thing* that can exhibit/embody these virtues of "Good" and "Evil." It's treated as a character trait, which is effectively irreconcilable with more flexible alternatives such as defining the virtues as a transitory experience, or an arbitrary viewpoint. Moreover, we simultaneously (and paradoxically) treat the mind/"soul" of a person as both completely independent, and the exact same as the body. (i.e., you do things because of your body telling you to. However, you are also responsible for your conscious choices, even if it's in defiance of your body's warnings.) Think of situations like; you are tired and angry so you lash out at your spouse, vs you running into a burning building to save someone despite your terror. This sort of questioning raises the inevitable rhetoricals such as: Are these embodiments of who you are (always) as a person? Or a temporary state? Or some other conceptualization? And what does that mean for the person and those affected? Does the intent behind the action matter, or are we only looking at outcomes? And more importantly, are we too limited with our binary logics? Why are we solely limited to a True or False dichotomy? Can we even answer any of these more nebulous questions with such a limited framework that paradoxes are commonplace and irreconcilable? Much to think on.

Kain

Idk what that’s about but I somehow doubt it’s on accident. Etenesh referred to herself with that spelling consistently the first instance of Etinesh is when Truth thinks of her. With how important names and identify are to this novel just seems like something might be going on there, of course I’d have to go back to see if there’s some actual pattern to the change and I also love reading into things way to much.

Soren

Warby, please for all that is good decide on how her name is spelt. Etenesh or Etinesh? Both were used in this chapter and it distracted me from the whole thing.

Joshua Rose

Comrade Truth

Daniel Sifrit

Actually you take 2 bottles that are full. You can then deposit before you return. But yeah, the point came through.

David Bailey

Poncho and umbrella! I see that Soup callout 😆

axel jensen

MLM to a better world is really wonky, a MLM represents everything wrong with truth's world and he's gonna make it into something good instead of evil.

Brett Peterson

"Because if they had their head on straight, they wouldn’t be acting like that, right? Which means that they have brain problems or education problems, or something." - It's strange to me to see people in a gnostic world, where the Creator / demiurge is known to be actively, consciously evil, reject the idea of agency and evil. It's the core flawed assumption: that if you're bad, it's not your fault. Or does Gnosticism preclude free will? Ironically, the latest Puss in Boots movie, with Little Jack Horner, was a fantastic commentary on this - guy has everything going for him, and chooses to be a jerk (to put it mildly). Another way to ask the question: Can anyone claim that they have NEVER made a malicious choice? Where they knew right from wrong, knew what was right would lead to better outcomes for themselves and others, and still chose the bad option? Determinism is comforting because it absolves us of our monstrosity. "I wouldn't be a monster if only [thing outside my control] was different". There's probably some truth to that, but I think there's also some truth to: "Having gone according to their own carnal wills and desires; having never called upon the Lord while the arms of mercy were extended towards them; for the arms of mercy were extended towards them, and they would not; they being warned of their iniquities and yet they would not depart from them; and they were commanded to repent and yet they would not repent."

Brett Peterson

While I'm glad Truth got past perfect communist ideals and complete state-control, I'm a little concerned he landed on MLM as his solution. :-P Still, if it worked for ancient Rome (networks of patrons and clients), there had to be something to it, right?

Taedirk

>“Oh God. I just discovered the reason for bureaucracy. And I found it good. This ‘thinking’ thing was a bad idea. Mindless violence, that’s the safe bet.” Preach.


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