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Sky Pride Vol. 4 Chapter 28- A Chance to Change Fate

🕑 Added 2025-10-22 14:00:11 +0000 UTC

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Philldoran

Nah, I think we’re good. Purple is generally a royal color due to its historical rarity (why stems from how rare purple pigments are in nature) nowadays it’s much more common due to synthetic pigments.

Rnd per

Oh good, I was concerned the purple color was the inverse of merit I was very worried for bai

Heather Serra

I am confused, I thought Fu told Tian in his letter last chapter to stay at the convent he was at and they would send people to help escort them.

dkpfrog

Tftc!

Mqrius

Time to collect some merit.

Ao

ready for the international assassins arc

Shane Fletcher

this is a fun comment section. a bunch of of little philosophers lol

David Blomeyer

What if Starsieve is the Mad God? So much angstiety.

David Blomeyer

Hooah

Brian P.

Oh, this was inevitable from the moment we were told every immortal was drunk. That’s an enormous lapse in discipline and good sense and would, of course, be exploited.

David Blomeyer

Well expressed. If there is merit, then it must stand outside of a dichotomy (sin muddies the waters rather then helps) and it must be applicable universally. Merit exists in comparison; "this is better then that because Y", not in "this is good, this is bad, and it is settled, because [the dao says, your senior says, etc]". Absolute authority and merit are not compatable.

Hugsenuef

“Not… exactly, Immortal Tian. Or at least, if I may make so bold, not in the way I think you mean. ‘Dao,’ as you surely know, means different things depending on the context. It can refer to a literal footpath, or a path to immortality, or the proper way of living as a human amongst other humans. In this case, ‘dao’ refers to the latter meaning. Similarly the word ‘ren’ can mean ‘humanity’ or ‘benevolence’ or ‘virtue,’ depending on context, which is why you hear me saying it so often.” Do I sense an echo here of 100 translators banging their head against the wall in frustration? (Translating classical chinese is very, very hard, precisely because of issues like this.)

Yair Ron

I've been growing... uncomfortable, I guess, with the nature of Merit and Sin. Absolute good and evil. On paper, it makes a lot of sense - the Empire and the Sect really are good and virtuous! or, at least, they try. Why wouldn't they be, when being virtuous is objectively measured in good fate? But, once that initial idea solidified, once I moved past it to the question of the intent of good deeds affecting them, I started to wonder. What would Brother Wang think? Wang will not stand a hierarchy to live. His reasoning, while emotionally driven, is as solid as he - hierarchy, any hierarchy, inherently allows the ones on top to dictate truth to the ones below. Filial Piety allows the elders to dictate to their juniors what is right, and all a junior is to do is bow and learn from their wisdom. Except, what if the elders' wisdom is that juniors should be robbed and tortured for their questions? Well, then you would hope the other side of Piety would show its face. The side Feng believes in, the responsibility of an elder to their juniors. their duty to guard their path, and make their rise as swift and clean as could be. But, a Junior listens to their Senior for two reasons, while a Senior only aids their Junior for one. The Junior listens because they respect their Senior, and the wisdom they have earned through their long life, and the wisdom they have been taught from their own seniors before them. But they also listen because if they don't, they are liable to be made to listen with such kindness it will take them two weeks and a lot of good medicine to heal. Seniors, well. They might no longer have seniors to show them such kindness. Thus, Wang states, one cannot trust the power of a Senior. One cannot trust a system that demands those weaker will put themselves in the power of those stronger. Because, Wang states, the only result of such a system is corruption. So, I consider Brother Wang. I consider what he will say when he finds out that such things as true, objective Merit and Sin exist. that an aura of such acts will attach itself to a person in a measurable way. And I think he will ask a question. 'Who decides?' Who decides that the actions of Little Doctor Tian, killing heretics in the wilderness, saving his heretic killing brothers, robbing heretic traders, burning their fates and his own pain to make a bonfire warm enough for everyone he cares about, are good, while those of the heretics he killed who murder and pillage and desecrate those weaker than them are evil? Heretics kill mortals, and especially children, to steal their fate. To earn the ability to rise to immortality. Is this worse than Tian killing a pond of Earthly Lotus and venomous snakes to earn the same? After all, in a hundred years, none of these children will be alive. In a hundred years, the lotuses would have been. Maybe the snakes would have been too. Some might have even risen to the heavens themselves, had Tian not ruthlessly stolen their fate. Yet, the bureaucrats of the Celestial Emperor decided that Tian is virtuous, while the heretics are sinful. 'Who gave them the right?' Wang would ask 'The Celestial Emperor, of course', I would answer, 'he dictates the rules for Virtue and Sin'. 'And who gave him the right?', Wang would ask. 'The Dao, of course," I would answer, 'the Dao, which is all things and all things happening, gave the Celestial Emperor the rules of Merit' 'And who gave the Dao the right?' Wang would ask. And I would have no answer. The Dao does not need the right, because it is virtue itself! All that follows the Dao is elevated, and all that subverts it is base and mortal, ground down by the turning of the Dao until it is pure. Follow the Dao and Merit will follow you, showering you in good fate. Refuse it, and your own Sin will drag misfortune upon you. But is that right? why is the hunting tiger a follower of the dao while a smoke burning heretic is not? Both hunt and devour, stealing the fate of their innocent prey to further their own. Or worse, the wasp! a parasite, incubating within others to steal their very vital essence, even as it devours them from within. And yet, it follows the Dao, while a heretic using such wasps to make Gu to do the same to others, does not. Why are Ancient Crane cultivators virtuous for furthering themselves, high on their mountains, breathing the clean immortal air, while under their uncaring gaze mortals struggle and work to provide for them while receiving nothing? Someone made the clay in the cups Brother Fu drinks from. That clay in turn was gathered by someone else, mortals both, most likely. Mortals live and work, have children who live and work who themselves have children who live and work, and yet the immortals cannot spare them the talismans to preserve their food. Cannot teach them the basics of cultivation, or even provide general education, to open their minds to the truths of reality. Of course, a peasant's talent is not enough to make them elites or heroes, but possibly enough to further their lives, make them better. But of course they don't. For had the virtuous immortals taught them such things, showed them such things, well, the mortals might not need the immortals quite so much anymore. They might not agree to have their goods, their children, their fates taken by the cultivators. Worse, they might no longer want to farm, if the alternative is to climb the mountain of eternity! If everyone could be a cultivator, or a minister, or a scholar, then there would be no farmers, and then everyone would be hungry. How is that any more virtuous than good honest slave labor? At least the slaves are told they are slaves. I do not know who gave the Dao the right to decide what virtue is. I would hope that the Filial Piety it receives from all of existence, it will return twofold to its juniors. I hope, because I do not think a single force or being in all the worlds is kind enough to be able to show the Dao its errors. And so, I truly, truly hope that brother Wang's suspicions of hierarchy are not as accurate as I fear they are.

Matt DiMeo

He is six, right? That is in the age range where kids are just starting to learn that other people see the world differently. It would not occur to him that Tian wasn’t aware.

Sean Shivers

Never trust good things happening. I fucking knew it.

Raymond Mouton

Thanks for the chapter.

David Blomeyer

I feel that, tempered with we are always kinda talking about our real world, and even in Tian's the smiting is a bit lacking and seems to be delivered as a social consequence. I wish we had a mad god to blame which wasn't the zeitgeist of us.

Tom C

Death to the heretics! Tian gonna slay TFTC!

Chymor

Or just use the crane to fly to the monastery… like the should have done directly after saving ”little treasure” in the town. Why are they intentionally bringing kids into one heretic ambush after another is just incomprehensible.

Morog T Tiny

I don't see a pale horse or a man with a scythe, but it reads as if he is close.

TeDureShi

Think they might lose this time

David Blomeyer

Again, mystic kid who sees auras aside, Merit strikes me as an eastern cousin of utility that runs the risk of becoming a "snake eating its own tail" just as quickly. Things have value because people believe them to have value - belief rooted in jewellery or use in microchips or tradition all being belief. The meta of belief (re: belief = reality, everyone contributes, belief can accumulate, and not all belief is equal) leans into something like Merit quickly, and that becomes a thing itself real quick. Little Treasure as the Lorax; "I speak for Merit, for Merit has no tongue" mixed with "ruthless immortals believe they need Merit to ascend" is a quick trip to a messy places. In the next breath you have "Anti-Merit (lets call it Sin?) and you have taken a thing that is a means and made it into a untrustworthy ends with all the trappings; faith, dogma, sides, war, and all the rest. Same issues as Buddha (self determined journey of exploration -> get old and decide to teach the fruits without the context intact -> dogma, sects, schisms, pantheon of saints and devils -> the shining fist, fire and violence to drive all the not-Buddhists out of Burma, etc) or Christ (golden rule, compassion, tolerance, humility ->> official religion of the roman empire -> rock upon which the True Church is built -> crusades, inquisition, blah blah blah etc). In corporate speak, you might call that "scope drift". Quite the puzzle. Of course, there is no way Grandpa, Fu, and Lorin don't see all that and I am sure they will nudge Tian in the direction of sorting all that too. We get to watch :) Tyftcs

Robert Mullins

Between the the drunk convent, the injured MCs, and the soon approaching escort, I expect this one to go badly. Only question is who will remain standing when the escort arrives to clean up house.

Colin Groh

um, teacher? That woman looks like the evilest person in existence. Is that, maybe, because she's evil? Little Treasure has got to start calling these out with a little more conviction. You're gonna get kidnapped lil guy!

Robert Mullins

I suspect the people in the inn are merchants that sold wine and party food to the convent.

Codered999

It's not submission to authority and stagnation. It's filial piety and people getting stuck in what works forgetting that sometimes growth requires innovation. If it ain't broke don't fix it taken to an extreme that is ultimately unhelpful when others decide to break it to just break it.

Kain

I think the comments are a bit too optimistic this time around. Things been going too good for too long. The heavens have to fuck you over and kick you down for you to defy them properly and I think this is gonna be a pretty big boot to the face out of the clouds for Tian. My guess is they get put into a very desperate situation and then Dad Fu and Aunty Bai show up to save them because Starsieve got clued in on their general position because of their visit to his little orange grove.

Kain

I mean to be fair any heavenly person heretic could crush a convent they don’t have to be particularly senior.

BelligerentGnu

I can't say I agree with the philosophy of submission to authority and stagnation as a virtue, but I will say that this novel absolutely reads as the cultivation novel that has most considered the idea of Dao and how that could actually work in such a world.

Kain

Oh I think they know.

Matt DiMeo

Inns, man. They need to start putting up “no heretics” signs.

Abhi

Makes me think Merit points other than being an incentive is also the Monastery literally buying the virtue their members accumulate by way of rewards and association. Virtue as literal currency. How very charitable tax deductionish. Merchant hater Tian must be feeling some weird things about all this lol.

Jeryd Greer

Poor censor, he will be the victim here.

Joshua Flowers

You would think someone would have told these heretics about Tian, Treasure, and Hong

EvilLittleThing

Oh boy, things are getting spicy

James Faulkner

Time for some more stomping!

True_Jolly_Roger

Ohoho, a little reprieve and they run into a person who was kicking from heretics for being too cruel and evil.

Noroh

Also, my corkboard theory looking less and less crazy lol

Noroh

How monstrous must this heritic be to walk towards a convent of the Ancient Crane to do mischief? I am worried.

Lurker

Ok no little Tian has found several “great” people to teach why it isn’t a good idea to sin. I can just see him smile while liquifying their internal organs

Markus Müller

There was too much happiness. Heretics can smell that and come to ruin things.

William Johnson

Oh hai heretics! You here for celebration?


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