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Chapter 259 - Alternate Paths

🕑 Added 2025-10-26 17:51:29 +0000 UTC

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FuriousDee

She seems to like the concept of humanity more than humanity at this point.

UraniumPhoenix

Fixed, thanks.

Mr NerfGun

Not before she creates her armor. Otherwise other Prophets, especially Liuan, will interfere with its creation.

Daniel Andrews

Miriam needs to come clean about the relics. That piece of information is going to come around to bite her at the worst possible moment. Right when she needs everyone to trust her, Luan’s going to figure out where the relics are and do something stupid.

Anotherb Account

As always, love it, love every second of it. Minor word correction: “one core tenant of the Luminates and Church was wrong; the Prophets didn’t rece…” I think you meant “tenet”

zoarian

Reading through the chapter again, it strikes me that this analysis by Zhuan could equally well refer to the Prophets: “The elite will often have contests within their ranks. There’s a social pressure for there to be fewer elites, because then each one of them has more power. However, if there’s too much consolidation, the elite power base weakens and the power has to be distributed again...” Also, Mirian is really quite unpleasant? Not only does she lie by omission, but actively deceives Liuan- with ease! She doesn't treat the politicians as people either, just uses her magic to get rid of them. I fear she's cultivating bad habits that will prove difficult to shake off in the future.

Mr NerfGun

Does the 'anti-gravity' from the levitation spell affect the whole body? If so, doesn't that mean that her hair is constantly floating around when she casually levitates like in this chapter ?

Rodmin

The nagual could potentially play a way bigger role in the future. Even though the would normally try to stay on their home island to give their memoried back to the tree before the loop ends it could sometimes be useful to send like a dozen of them all over the world to do work. People that can remember are maybe the most rare resource they have and does Liuan even know that they also can remember? How much can the tree send them? I think only Xhecatl remembers everything because she was in union with the tree at the start of the loop, but when they communicate they get some of their memories?

Enthernal

What a chapter. Although this one is more politics then discovery, it still touches on a lot of avenues. Time for some lists; - Mirian seems less and less convinced (and concerned) the war could/should be stopped. I feel this is a good development in a way. She has enough on her plate. If anything, she should see if she can find a way to lessen the impact of whatever wars will happen then try to prevent them. - Liuans "plan" still comes over as denial, but she may have some points. The relics stuff feels more like a jab at Mirian, but it does remind us that there are a couple more out there. More on that later on. - The Labyrinth path has more Merit, at the very least we know there's tools to find there, and we still don't know all the reasons for it's existence, trials, econodes, etc. The more she finds/understand it, the easier it might be to make the regulator. - The option of the luamin being a failsafe or control makes little sense either. That being said, I do feel it might be able to help them in a number of ways. If it is a divine artifact like the gates, it's on a way bigger scale and might have a much bigger impact on the leylines if they can activate it. - that also lines up with the issue with Mirian's plan. I doubt her current solution is the right one. I feel it'll be a mix of solutions. More gates to mitigate the stress. Perhaps the moon to help alleviate stress as well. And then a smaller regulator for the finishing touches? Now a couple thoughts; - Mirian REALLY should spend a couple cycles in Akana to get some reliable data/info on what Liuan and scebur are doing and check up on things like celen, gates, etc. - She should also be planning on how she would disclose some stuff like the relics when pressed by the other prophets. - Looking into the Luamin moon might actually be the better/easier option to get to the Divir moon. Say there's a gate or other way to get up there, she might have an easier time "dropping" to the Divir moon. I really love those kinds of combination solutions where it's not just brute forcing the obvious path. Same with the combination solution of it's activation helping to drain the leylines. One final thing I want to sum up, the prophets relics. I went back and read chapter 116 again and some things seem a bit off between that chapter and this. - In this chapter it is implied each Prophet had one relic, yet in chapter 116 the fourth prophet is linked to the sword (obviously) and the only one linked to the holy pages? From the multi loopers perspective that could make sense, but from the church/religious standpoint (only one prophet, so logically only one relic?) it doesn't. - In chapter 116 the relic of the first prophet seemed to be his finger itself. In this chapter they mention a ring? - There also is at least one other relic of a "nameless" god that was supposed to be in the 5th vault, but which we otherwise know little about. Could that have been the 6th prophets relic? But then it makes clashes with the chrunches denying/not knowing of his very existence. I also felt like the relic was older then that. So if we put it on a list: - 1st prophet: finger / ring?: she likens it to Gaiuses ring, so perhaps something similar? Or a sign of authority like the elder creatures mentioned? Now they winged it by making uncontested claims, but what if? - 2nd: skull: no clue here - 3rd: staff: What's a mage without a staff? - 4th: sword: no explanation needed. - 5th: mask: Disguise, protection, make the eye glow less notable? Or to hide a missing lower jaw? So many options. - 6th?: unknown relic?: actually a relic or something else? - ???: holy pages: perfect for book making. - All relics save for the skull (and the unknown one) could in fact be used by one prophet as equipment. - In fact I used to the think the holy pages were the second prophets relic and then it would've all made sense. If you read all the way to the end of this rant, props to you :D

copperspike

edit suggestion: "Why does anyone bother pretending to be republics" > "Why does anyone bother pretending to be a republic"

Michael Vonica

Xecatl already knows everything. Mirian should probably talk with her, and get aligned on what the best path forward is.

Noah

Miriam likely needs to reach at least Divr anyway though, even if they do go the societal upheaval route. It’ll be necessary for stopping moonfall. Directly Jherica, an astronomer, to help figure out how to reach the moons is a perfectly good use of his skill set. We also don’t know for certain what the other Prophets did. Stopping the invention of the spell engines is just Miriam’s hypothesis. Something on Divr, or the other moon, might be the evidence she needs to corroborate that theory.

Mountainking

Mirian needs to tell the others about the relics, even if she doesn't tell them how she keeps them. Too many secrets

Noah

I think it’s much more likely that Celen is Scebur, and he’s leaving a fake body at his house every loop. Is there any way Miriam and Co can actually confirm that body is Celen? If Scebur is Celen, then Liuan likely lied to Miriam about how closely she worked with Troytin. Scebur has been entirely focused on undermining Liuan, which suggests he has some reason to hate her. If Liuan worked with Troytin to torture Celen, in order to remove him from the loop, then that’d explain Scebur’s activities. It would also explain why Scebur hasn’t sought any of the other prophets, since the other prophets he met repeatedly screwed him over.

Noah

Miriam also needs to bring her father along with her to Arkana, so that she has someone trustworthy with slightly more political experience who can help ferret out Scebur. She and Zhuan should also spend a lot of time with the purple crystal, trying to find and communicate with Scebur in the dream world. Another solution would be to create some kind of large scale “soul needle” detector, so that she can map the prophet’s location. That might require getting access to Divr though. If all the needles are connected to Ominian, then there’s probably way to use one end of the connection (Divr) to find the needles themselves.

Noah

Miriam desperately needs to spend a number of loops in Arakana. Both to “officially” hunt down Celen, but also just to keep an eye on Liuan. I’m a strong believer of the theory that Scebur is really Celen, who’s been faking his death at the beginning of every loop. If that theory is correct, then Liuan is by far the looper who appears to be the biggest roadblock in Miriam’s long-term plans: - Zhuan has a one track mind, and her politics most closely align with Miriam’s - Xectal/the tree is probably Miriam’s best, and most consistent, ally - Ibrahim has no patience for politics, and Miriam can blow him out of the water in terms of direct power. Miriam can also make him an unshakable ally by just using a small bit of relicarum to help him save his wife - Jherica has the closest personality to Miriam and is focused on research. He could also learn to replace Liuan’s role in Arkana, if Miriam has to remove her from the loops - Gabriel is the next most dangerous looper, but he requires other powerful actors to do serious damage. Currently, the most dangerous thing about him is the worry that he’ll side with Liuan. He’s also a great foil for Zhaun, and their back-and-forth should lead to a more even keeled political approach. If Scebur is actually a potential ally of Miriam, then removing Liuan suddenly makes everything way, way easier for everybody. We know Arkana’s industrial spell engines are something this will be dealt with, and Liuan will never be convinced to let that happen. Gabriel also wants to maintain the status quo, but not due to ideological reasons. He just believes it’s dangerous.

Noah

I’ve increasingly become more and more convinced that Celen is the hidden looper. The way “Scebur” acts sure seems like someone who was traumatized by Troytin in a previous timeline. Scebur’s actions become even more understandable if it turns out Liuan has been lying, and was actually strongly allied with Troytin before Miriam removed his needle.

UraniumPhoenix

She did, in fact, do that a whole bunch. Then she realized it might tip her hand, and stopped doing it. Do any of the others know about it? Good question.

Alexander Dupree

Maybe more like a sentient nuclear weapon who’s obviously lying to several of them about being able to strip them of their immortality

Portalop

What if it was another one of her "subtle hints" that she likes to play, basically saying "I know about your relics and magically disappearing book and where they come from"

SlickMongoose

Hasn't Miriam spent a load of loops waving the sword around all over the place to prove she's a prophet? I'm very surprised none of the others know about it.

SlickMongoose

Someone stole the "Holy Pages" you say? And Miriam has this mysterious magical spell book that always returns to her and has a huge and varied repertoire? Nah, they can't possibly be connected.

zoarian

I think digging into the Labyrinth or the moons are extreme longshots with little support. Being from Akana, Liuan and Jherica are both motivated to find a solution that doesn't change the world order too much; a vague magical McGuffin fits the problem perfectly. Honestly, it reminds me of global scale carbon capture to prevent climate change - it's a pipe dream. The real solution lies in transforming society. It's a safe bet that at least some of the previous prophets also worked against the falling moon - at least one pushed back the invention of the engines. If there was a magical device that could stop this, Ominian would be a lot more direct in the visions. I'm sure there's useful tech to be found but a viable solution is already on the table.

miraca

who tf already liked this, i just posted ts 1 second ago wtf

miraca

Jherica being redirected from labyrinth to the moon is very fortunate for Mirian, this way there's less chances of him figuring out the divine artifacts and relicarium

miraca

if he was mass media and propaganda, then it only supports the theory of other commenter that Celen is Scebur. Liuan mentioned that he has a cult following, which is kinda propaganda and mass media thingy?

Ace

Couldn't Celen be Scebur? Someone mentioned that Celen could be faking his death since he explodes his head so you can't ID him, so couldn't Celen find some random guy that matches his build and leave his body there to trick the others? I don't think they checked if Celen is actually Celen, at least Mirian never considered it. So it's possible that Celen is the one moving around as Scebur. Overall the situation with Celen is suspicious, they should care more.

Pete Magnuson

Hmm, has anyone tried using the dream focuses to talk to the suicide looper when he's out of body? I seem to recall the occasional Dream popping up after dying in the loops, so he might be reachable there to explain how circumstances have changed. Do we know much of his specialization? I seem to recall him being involved in mass media, could be quite useful to sway large scale change and propaganda with interesting insight into mobilizing a population

tentacles4all

Oh , ffs Mirian! Did Liuan realize that she lied to her face? After all she has seen her spellbook. She must have some lingering questions about it.

Michael Vonica

If Liuan is Scebur, she's going through a lot of work to fake it. And if she isn't, Scebur is doing exactly what Mirian did to Troytin. Which should be driving Mirian into a panic, because that implies that Scebur is buying time to accomplish something that will allow them to overpower the other prophets. Also, it sounds like Scebur is either a master of recruiting and managing people in secret, or has some kind of magic or artifact that lets them do it incredibly fast.

Robert Mullins

For all her magical knowledge Mirian must come off as a violent brute to the rest of them. The strongest one there. Tossing people out into the sea when she gets irritated. No supporting personnel. Sees heavy thing falling and looks for most direct method of picking it back up.

Clara

Liuan getting too close for comfort to the truth

miraca

Thanks for the chapter


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