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Chapter 621 - Overthrowing the Tyrants XIV

🕑 Added 2025-01-10 15:00:05 +0000 UTC

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Daniel Garza

"going to be so much fun" and "ripped dress" was implying sexual assault from by red headbands to a civilian. And Elaine wasn't gonna let that happen.

Harry Hirsch

Did she burn the heads off because they are not allowed to attack people with red headbands?

SwitchBlaze

Good Chappie. Thank you.

Marcus Cassin

Nice to see Elaine does seem to have matured a bit in her approach to the Oath. Also, burning the heads off those two, very nice.

Nate El

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Chrismatic

Holy shit that was a heart wrenching line at the end of the chapter from Sara. Fwiw I would make it clearer it was Elaine, and end the chappie right there after she said it. Hits hard.

elijah pickett

She would be a fantastic orphanage matron.

elijah pickett

Poor Sara. I need to know her entire life story after this and for her to be okay. I'm ready for the Orphanage arc😭

Aura

Is Elaine crying because she killed the two rapists though? I didn't interpret it that way. Seems more like she's crying over the general situation, and the two rapists here are simply the context in which we got an external view of her in this moment. This encounter also makes me think... somewhere in this city, there are red headband-wearing people raping someone. That person is fighting back, and losing, and that horrible act is succeeding. Elaine's healing is making that possible. Her healing is enabling a thousand other acts of murder and atrocity against civilians. For the greater good. Maybe even children -- they can't die? Yeah... that's not to say they can't suffer. I'm unable to fathom to grief, guilt, feeling of impotence, and other traumas Elaine is going through right now. It's unimaginable tragedy and suffering all around. How could she not be a crying wreck through this? What point in this entire story has given us the impression she won't be so heavily impacted by this? She's strong, she can push through and function during it all. That's almost worse, because she's also got front row seats to the event, right in the thick of it, with the-world-around-me doing no favors in this regard.

John

Thank you for the Cliff

Kaylakaze -

Still doesn't seem like a valid reason to be taking personal offense and assigning curses.

FaMa_Tarapax

im pretty sure their job isnt to gather souls but to wipe their memories and put them into the cycle of reincarnation. they probably also fix soul degradation from repeated reincarnation.

Kaylakaze -

But that's kinda my point: what is WDBC's purpose/job? They're not gathering souls; the souls either get reincarnated or join their god to become angels. Is their only purpose to rip the soul from the body? If that's the case, who gave them that job, and, if no one, then they're just an entitled Karen throwing a fit when someone says "No, I'd rather not let you rip my soul from my body."

Archer

I believe they are supposed to cause severe issues. It feels like the gods of Palos made the world into a meat grinder to produce more gods and angels. Anyone who dies before hand is just memory wiped and recycled to go again in a new life.

Trevor Mergen

Thanks!

Kaylakaze -

What I want to know is when she's going to go toe-to-claw with white dove/black crow herself. Where does WDBC get off thinking she has any right to the dead or to assigning curses in the first place? Those racial curses will continue to cause severe issues until they're done away with.

Adel Lê

Not two minutes in and Elaine already broke one of the few rules of engagement this battle has. Not that I'll cry for these two red headbands.

bcdp

Besides, while I can appreciate the naive viewpoint of commiting genocide to do away with a Big Evil for good, there are obvious problems with that. First, why stop with the children of those elves aligned with the 512? I mean, if elven arrogance is the problem, there are more of those elves among those that are aligned with the invading force. Good luck with the fallout from that. Second, the 512 are nice neighbors compared to the effects of the immortal wars. And the source of those are not the elves, but the black sheeps among those with too much power - even if the elves might source more of them. It's as if any (successful) random guy on Earth could have the button for a nuke arsenal. So, if you are going to kill children because they could become the next Big Evil, you'd have to kill literally everyone.

Nate El

Assuming classes work like a modern battlefield. Stick your head up, lose air cover, get unlucky with snipers or artillery and crow/dove aknocking. I don’t think she could get too many out or move quickly without getting tagged by people with thousands of levels on her or getting hit with Bane.

Nate El

“He who saves one life saves the world.”

Selkie

It's a new issue. She's fine only healing one side, but wants to do BETTER than that. Since there are a lot of civilians mixed into the fight, the issue is "How do I tell if someone is a hostile soldier, or an innocent civilian?". Pure biology, she can't. Should she save the babies? Obviously yes. Children? Yes. Teenagers? Yes. Okay, but how old of a teenager...?

tr13ze

Thanks for the chapter 😁

Joshua Little

Thanks for the chapter.\

Henrik T.

I might just be blind but is she actually arguing about healing empire soldiers here? That isn't currently her issue. If she could form an image for excluding all soldiers of the empire I feel like she would, her conundrum here is more about the issue of identification. Her thought about just healing everyone isn't really her slipping back into old moral dilemmas and more her expression frustration at the impossibility of healing all civilians and even after 100 years I believe struggling with inevitable collateral of war is very reasonable. (At least until you realize that accelerated thinking+parallel thoughts probably puts her mental age in the low to mid thousands)

Phsteven

The difference in this scenario vs the other battles and wars is that she is now literally powerful enough to say that "nobody dies" and they won't. She's done this several times on various battlefields in this war, but she wasn't strong enough to save every civilian in the Civil war, she could only do her best. The dilemma here wasn't 'can she kill people', or 'let them die', it was 'who is old enough to be considered a combatant' and 'who needs to be protected'. She can't save all of the civilians like Sara's parents because her skill can't differentiate between who is a combatant trying to harm her and who isn't. She must make the calls herself.

Cameron Earl

My understanding of morality is we want clear rules because they make murky things easier. But real life defies clear lines and neat categorization. No matter what moral framework you pick, there will be problems with it. So the best thing we can do is keep asking hard questions and improving our answers. As long as we keep asking the questions of what is right, we won’t fall into traps like “the ends justify the means” or “the letter of the law”. Anyway, I like that Elaine is still asking these questions, and I like how it demonstrates that sometimes there are no right answers.

Bryce

Tftc

Minato

Thanks a lot!

Roombot

Elaine better start an orphanage

Jack Dawson

I think in this chapter her main focus is trying you draw the line between innocent children and people old enough to be combatants on the enemy side

DAK

@Apollo, I guess I don't realize that. Yes, she is bound to the oath, and the oath does not change its wording. But throughout this series she's had multiple soliloquies waxing prosaic about how as she and her world view change, so too does her understanding of the oath -- and subsequently the interpretation of what it means. Once the simple act of deliberately putting herself in harm's way to force a situation where self-defense comes into play would have been a moral issue--now she does it all the time. Decapitating the two rapists just now would have been acceptable before but left her feeling like a murderer. As the world has gotten bigger for her, she's had to allow herself to do more harm while looking at the greater good. Even her Arbiter Class was an example of her changing in the context of the oath. Allowing herself to choose who lives and who dies, and then level off of it, would have been a violation of 14-year-old Elaine's oath. Same oath now, but not a violation. Yeah, she always struggles with what feels like the exact same argument at each moral dilemma, and I expect that won't change. But this particular battle just felt like the same ones she has fought before, and usually she's able to not have to rehash that old "is it a violation?" on repeat scenarios. Maybe because it's sacking a town with civilians? But that can't really be new. Her campaign in the Han empire was supposedly against armies, but they all have camp followers in the thousands, and known civilian/child deaths are happening in those battles. And they did go after some towns as well...

FeyOne

Same here. It’s a fantastic chapter, but the end of it tried to break me.

Rainer

And painful, even if only for a minute moment. Elaine doesn't have any Skills or effects for pain nullification, at least, not that I can remember. Sara would have felt everything as it happened.

Harimir Lightfeather

8 year old acualy, she tok the oath while her childhood firend was getting cremated

matthew gilley

The whole world in ruins and the first thing we do is more killing. Kings of piles of ashes

Apollo Above

You do realize she literally made a magical binding contract that locks those problems into place where she is not only incentivised to comtinue following a inflexible set of moral values, but reinforces any behavior that goes with those said values? Like. Shes stuck with her 14 yeaf old morality until she drops her vow

DAK

It feels strange to me that Elaine is over 100 and still has the exact same ethical conundrums with barely any more added nuance than she did when she was 14. She’s not an academic, where she could cling to the same arguments for decades. She has literally waded through bloody battle fields, burned and been burned alive, watched entire nations pillage, rape and enslave each other and is standing amidst groups waiting to backstab each other for reasons so petty that bald faced genocide seems like a better argument. Is there a lot to parse here? Lots. Always more orphans and widows and slavery. Does the concept of unilaterally destroying one side of a battle field for the good of all sentient life really need a rebooted argument every time, though? I think she knows the answers already.

CataFlan

TFTC

Anonymous

Presumably either guardians or a god is going to show up at first dawn when they are done killing the 512 and really start sacking the city.

bentley mcgill

By the sound of it she completely destroyed their heads I don't think the headbands survived

Kennyevilmonkey

War. War never changes...

TroubleFait

Anyway, Arachne knew the deal when she asked Elaine to attend.

NDF 07

Probably several

Tatiana Saturno

Now I am crying too.

AntiClimax she her

Totally agree, but it gives them a casus belli. I don't how much that matters in the end, they'd find another one, still could affect how many political allies Exterreri could have in the direct aftermath. Edit: it could have a positive effect, though, given she's protecting new Remus civilians -- it could make an alliance with new Remus remnants more likely, and given they were the largest faction, and some of the current alliance are very likely new Remus defectors. Guess I'll just have to wait and see how it shakes out.

CherMi

I'm pretty sure most of the assault forces will have an enormous war after they win. There's plenty of opportunities to take care of any protests. If anyone has a problem with Elaine, they're not the kind of people Exterreri can afford to have around.

Andrew

Thank you!

AntiClimax she her

Reading the chapter I realized there were going to be a lot of orphans. I was worried about young elves with vendetta's going after Elaine. Sara's POV makes me feel a bit guilty for not thinking about the orphans before Elaine. Anyway, feels like this could be the start of an orphanage arc. I very much doubt Sara would be the only one Elaine swooped in to save. There is the issue of Elaine killing people in red headbands, though. She was totally right in what she did, but I could see it having repercussions for the Extereri remnants, and Elaine herself, since the only rule of engagement that mattered was no direct violence against people with red headbands.

Bakerbob

War is hell!

Jonas Engell

War is war and hell is hell and of the two of them war is worse.

Khal Lee

Thanks for the chapter!!! Hahahaha bouncing Sara. Poor girl but sounded like a ride of Lifetime down a river rapid except through the air.

Adam

TFTC

ElPontife

Damn hard ending.

joey

Thanks for the chapter makes my day when i get to read more of Elaines journey

Dan

😢

Jason Hardman

Awww. Looks like Elaine has a new adoptee. TYFTC!

Simon Hoerder

Not fun. But necessary. Thanks for the chapter.

Hodge Wasson

Oof, that ending.

Thom Woosley

War is hell.

Jem Gryphonkin

😭 I'm glad Elaine is there to save her. Hopefully another adoptee for our heroines!

Bubbles The Amoeba

Child acquired

Tilen Praprotnik

Thanks for the chapter


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