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[COLUMN] Wonka Flattens Its Willy | by Darren Mooney

🕑 Added 2023-12-15 21:00:05 +0000 UTC

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Stephen Kilbey

Great write up. Personally I loved the movie. The changes in Wonka as a character didn’t bother me as much as some. Not a big musical guy but the songs I thought were really fun. Love these columns Darren! I regret not discovering you sooner.

Darren Mooney

Not at all! Apologies if it read that way.

Wally Hackenslacker

I get it now, thanks for taking the time to reply! I have a decent English if I do say so myself but that word really caught me by surprise. It's not one I see often if at all, hell, I'm pretty sure I have never used it myself. I was afraid you meant it in a "I don't like where you're coming from so this is the most you'll get" kind of way and that I had come across as looking for a fight or something.

Darren Mooney

Not at all, “flippant” was referring to my answer, not your question. In that the cheeky, easy answer would be for me to say, “I think that is good, this was bad.” I do try to explain in the actual answer why I think this is good and that was bad. But it boils down to “that made both the adaptation and the original text richer, this makes this adaptation more generic, and adds nothing to any understanding of the original text.”

Wally Hackenslacker

I'm not a native English speaker so I'm not really sure how to understand the use of the word "flippant" here. If I came across as confrontational or in bad faith I apologize. I swear to God that wasn't the intention.

Darren Mooney

“ Honest question, why was it good that the Scott Pilgrim anime deviated so dramatically from the source material but deviating from the source material is a bad thing here? I know this is going to sound like a gotcha and I swear it's not the intention, but like you said, this movie doesn't erase the Gene Wilder or Johnny Depp ones nor the original book out of existence.” The flippant answer is that the changes that “Scott Pilgrim” makes are good. To expand on that, they are more interesting and they are made with purpose. The choices make a statement that reflects authorial intent, and that authorial intent enriches the larger work in a way that makes both it and the source material more compelling and engaging. It adds layers, complexity, detail and perspective. This is fundamentally different than what “Wonka” does, which doesn’t feel like a choice made with any authorial intent but out of a cynical calculation that the movie is easier to package and sell if it’s more generic. It makes the movie and the character less interesting, strips out interesting aspects of the source material, and produces a work that feels shallower and more generic.

Wally Hackenslacker

I'm not bothering with this movie because I don't really like musicals, but I have to say, after the last full decade of "get a load of this guy" type irony of varying degrees of cynicism and relentless "kill the past" nihilism on almost every single production, hearing of a movie that goes out of it's way to just be lighthearted and sincere (even if it's because of executive meddling, mind you) feels like a breath of fresh air. And I also gotta say, this passage "However, this approach also feels like something of a betrayal of the source material, pushing the beloved and iconic character towards something much more generic and conventional." makes me feels like the "this is an adaptation... sike" curve ball strikes again. Honest question, why was it good that the Scott Pilgrim anime deviated so dramatically from the source material but deviating from the source material is a bad thing here? I know this is going to sound like a gotcha and I swear it's not the intention, but like you said, this movie doesn't erase the Gene Wilder or Johnny Depp ones nor the original book out of existence.

Darren Mooney

Thank you. The title may have gotten the piece commissioned, I suspect!

Darren Mooney

Very fair!

ZhoRa13

Small detail, Darren, if I may be so bold - you mention the "nestled darkness" twice in a short interval in almost the same way :) Other than that little nitpick - amazing article, as always, thank you for it! ❤️

Coey Ohwow-Godsey

What a title. *applauds* Great article too. :)

Ryallen

Films are always drastically different than what they set out to be and it's a massive shame we're never privy to the original script/intention, the original Star Wars being the most famous example

Darren Mooney

Ah, I don't judge.

Darren Mooney

It has been kinda intimated by people in the know ("The Town" podcast brings it up) that Chalamet signed on for a different film than it ended up being, and that the finished product was heavily... guided by executives. I can't find anything to back that up outside of Belloni's gossip, but it makes a certain degree of sense. There is a lot riding on "Wonka", even with "Aquaman" out next week. I can understand the urge to play it safe.

ConTM

To be honest, I just don't think there's a "Wonka Cinematic Universe (WCU)" that can support its own narrative weight. Like once you start asking ANY of the questions necessary to expand the story beyond the books or the film with Wilder, it's either a horror franchise without the requisite fear or a cautionary tale with no good lesson. The Depp movie had its flaws, but I loved the quote: "Candy doesn't have to have a point, that's why it's candy." Yeah it's an emotional indulgence on my part to enjoy a movie where a kid with nothing is mocked by his peers for having nothing until he is put on trial by a chocolate-themed god of chaos who uses his kidnapped slave army to smite a bunch of demonically possessed micro-plutocrats his age before giving him everything he ever wanted, but what's chocolate if not an indulgence? Like how on earth could any productive conversation about racism, colonialism, and predatory capitalism take place when the racial allegory in question is a group of tiny orange people who only speak in song and are forever grateful to their """boss""" because he lets them have a pittance of the chocolate he produces in abundance? Ultimately the conclusion I come to is that the only blood we're ever going to get from this stone are fairy tale stories that aren't as strong as the Wilder version or Maleficent-style retcons that are about as nutritionally beneficial and tasty as a chocolate bar with a bunch of spinach pieces in it.

Darren Mooney

Yeah, I'll admit to be being pleasantly surprised at how charming the movie is.

Caleb Dennis

That sounds painful

Ryallen

Yeah, it's a bit disappointing to hear that Timothee's take was made an outright hero. I would've been very interested in seeing how Wonka developed his attitude towards children (even naughty ones), something which I think most people would find inhuman, in reality at least. The Willy Wonka stories have never been placed 1:1 in reality but seeing the protag of this titular childhood classic react to the death of people he finds unpleasant in the modern day would've been sadistically novel if nothing else. Regardless, it's good to hear that it's a solid film overall. Most of the Internet that was weighing in on the initial trailer drop had low hopes so seeing this turn out to be quality is good to see

Aaron Von Seggern

Talk about low-hanging fruit 😏

Matthew Shaffer

Oh my goodness! I had zero expectations one way or another for this one. Glad it is at least praiseworthy! Great column !

Darren Mooney

I may just have written the article for the title.

Aaron Von Seggern

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