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[COLUMN] In 3 Body Problem, Unknowability is a Nightmare - and a Weapon | by Darren Mooney

🕑 Added 2024-04-02 14:00:10 +0000 UTC

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Pēteris Krišjānis

Show feels shaky, but themes and characters are very strong. This makes me excited knowing path books take. It is sure one of the best recent alien invasion fictions recently.

Darren Mooney

Interesting, although the implication would be that something had to build the machines. (And it's interesting that the early exercises are about the limits of even infinite computational power.) To be clear, I'm not disagreeing or dismissing. I hadn't really thought about it, and it's an interesting idea. Certainly resonates with the idea that even the people designing modern generative AI can't always understand how it reaches the conclusions it does.

Nathaniel Solyn

Towards the final episodes I had a distinct impression the aliens were simply machines. "What is known is communicated as soon as communication takes place" ressembles a data transfer between two systems to me. To which you can add their lack of individuality, their current superiority over humans hindered by their inability to be as creative in their evolution as humans are...

Darren Mooney

I am actually doing research for Friday's piece, and a detail that didn't end up in the article (it's not about China) is about how Chinese studios cut trailers for American movies. One of these producers, Qiu, was talking about how even something as innocuous as "Now You See Me" had to have the Chinese trailer cut down the "revenge" element of the plot, because that's seen as a peculiarly American trope overseas.

William Alexander

Fun article! I thought you did a great job balancing distinct cultural differences between the US and China without exaggerating or othering anyone (disclosure-white US dude here). That’s a tough tightrope to walk. My favorite (unverified)anecdote in this area is the difficulty US and European producers had trying to adapt detective stories for Russian audiences. As the story goes, Russian police have always been so corrupt that the idea of someone interested in actually solving a case for “justice” was unbelievable to Russian audiences.

Darren Mooney

"I'm also a bit weary when people make the claim that certain concepts are unknowable or unable to cross arbitrary physical boundaries." I mean, this is just a basic existential human fear, right? It's an extrapolation of the recent spate of marriage movies about how even intimate relationships like marriage are anchored in the fear that you don't know what the person you're with is thinking. ("Oppenheimer", "Maestro", "Ferrari", "Songbirds and Snakes", "Anatomy of a Fall", "Killers of the Flower Moon", "Napoleon", etc.) And to the point of "Three Body Problem", the show argues that Will Downing is just as unknowable to his friends as the Ttrisolarans are to humanity. The physical boundary is that my brain is not your brain, and that's a fairly fundamental one, I think. I also completely understand looking at contemporary American politics and being unable to understand in any meaningful way what a significant portion of the population believes. (Of course, I can academically know what they believe, or what they profess to believe, but I cannot understand what it is to actually believe that in any meaningful sense because it is - fundamentally - insane. How is communication possible with somebody who believes such things? Knowing people who discuss how they can't seem to communicate with their own parents, I think it's perfect valid to articulate the fear that such gulfs exist.)

Michael McCarthy

Feels like a rethread of the Expanse, no? While the Trisolarians form is unknown, their intentions and methods for achieving them are crystal clear. One could look at the news right now and see some parallels to the Trisolarians. While instant thought communication is an interesting idea, it remains undeveloped. I'm also a bit weary when people make the claim that certain concepts are unknowable or unable to cross arbitrary physical boundaries. It always seems to be authoritarian leaders who say that their own people can't accept 'western' democracy and must be ruled with a firm hand. It ignores social movement theory and the fact that these ideas are only alien to people because the state has actively tried to suppress them. I'm also a bit mindful that Liu lives a country with a high degree of censorship which unfortunately (also unfairly) puts a question mark on his remarks relating to the governance of mainland China and it's peripherals (cough* Hong Kong* cough). There's an issue of philosophy in terms of greek Vs confucianism but I don't think 3BP even approaches that in any meaningful way that I could detect


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