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COLUMN | Isn't It a Little Weird That Amazon is the Villain In The Boys and Fallout? | by Darren Mooney

🕑 Added 2024-06-23 15:00:14 +0000 UTC

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Susan Mace

You forgot to mention I’m a Vigo which is another Amazon show that uses superheroes as a scathing critique of capitalism. It is distinct from Fallout and The Boys in that it actually shows how people’s efforts towards change can actually succeed in making a difference—a message that Amazon clearly doesn’t feel threatened by.

Darren Mooney

Ha! Yep. As I mentioned, I’d been batting the idea around a while. But with your comment, I figured I should actually write it.

James Votypka

Great article, definitely answered my comment on the boys article lol

Darren Mooney

I do think a lot about the "Star Wars" hotel letting you LARP as a fascist... but also being afraid to have you meaningfully lose. There's a big speech at the end about how we all need to get along, as opposed to going, "It's fun to play this, but also fascists are bad, right?"

Darren Mooney

Yep. I honestly think they just see profit in it, and nothing else matters.

Darren Mooney

Yep. Ryallen references this quote above. It's a good one.

Darren Mooney

Oh, I love that. Should have mentioned it.

Jonny C

“Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would critique capital end up reinforcing it instead.” — Joyce Messier (Disco Elysium)

Aaron Von Seggern

Honestly, it's the 2024 version of Colonel Tom Parker's "I HATE ELVIS" pins

Aaron Von Seggern

And to be an even bigger pedant, Apple is #2 or 3 in market cap, depending where you look. Microsoft took back the top spot with NVIDIA vying for second with Apple.

marrington233

I believe there’s another factor to this, and it’s the nature of companies in general. By nature a company is not evil. It’s a complex machine with the goal of generating capital for shareholders, and are only as cruel as the people operating it. It’s why it can both appeal to progressives while also engaging in the worst of capitalism, both facilitate the end goal of generating revenue, and its happenstance that the people operating most of them are benign evil. There is also the role of a jester, someone who vents the grievances of the common folk through humiliation of the crown. Never going so far as to anger the king, but enough to belay the anger of the commonfolk, with the end goal to never encourage change the status quo.

HardRevenge

"Who roots for the empire wtf? ...Oh"

Darren Mooney

Fair, but I also think that the show and the game are different things. In the show, Vault-Tec's tendrils are clearly stretching in a variety of different directions, and they are the primary focus of the season's capitalist anxiety. (The game is not produced by Amazon, so it isn't part of the wave of ironic/self-aware hyper-capitalism critique that I'm discussing here.)

Skujat

Always a bit unsettling to think about why megacorporations are fine with a portrayal like that. Do they think they are "one of the good ones"? Do they get the jokes? Do they just not care? Do they want to control the opposition so to speak? Highly unlikely that we ever a concrete answer but it is a nice brainteaser to think about.

BobisOnlyBob

All the more bitterly ironic considering the fate of Disco Elysium and its ownership. I believe Amazon was briefly considering making a show based on it too.

Gage Eakins

I think comparing Vault-Tec to Amazon doesn't really make all that much sense. I get the general point of the article, but the comparison just doesn't work. First of all, Vault-Tec is not that big of a company in the Fallout Universe. It sells very specific products in a pretty narrow sector of the economy. It is dwarfed by companies like RobCo and RepCom. The Fallout Amazon series is a rather faithful adapatation of the games and the Vault-Tec corporation is from the first game released in 1999. Amazon was not yet such a big company in those days so the parallels don't really work.

Ryallen

>Amazon isn’t in the superhero game um ackshually *readjusts glasses* Stan Edgar admitted to Homelander in Season 2 Episode 1 The Big Ride that Vought is not a superhero company but a pharmaceutical company. In all seriousness, the video game Disco Elysium talked about this a while back. I don't know the context or anything, since I don't care for Disco Elysium, but a character in the game said "Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would *critique* capital end up *reinforcing* it instead." It's fashionable to be anti-capitalist, to point out the issues with the current system. Amazon can only benefit from allowing stories like this to be made because they're popular but can't/won't serve to actually fix anything, or at least that's their logic. Anticapitalism doesn't threaten them since they're too ingrained in American society for any real threat against their business to exist. There'd have to be some massive upset for any real progress to be made against them. But I digress, if I spoke at length about what I really thought about this topic I'd be typing for hours and pissing off a lot of people.

Nolan Barth

Your math is a bit off when talking about Bezos' earnings. He earns the average American salary every 3 seconds if he's making 23K/second. If he's making 23K/minute then he's earning the average salary every 3 minutes.


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