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[COLUMN] Red One is a Christmas Marvel - and Not in a Good Way | by Darren Mooney

🕑 Added 2024-11-15 15:00:16 +0000 UTC

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melchar

While I think the movie was definitely made by pouring in a batter of mostly predictable plot elements that sought to hit all of the expected movie beats, the writing mob generally did a good job IMO. But boy oh boy did you call it for coming across like no one involved had ever either been a kid or had anything to do with one. The movie disappointed me with ALL the military hype. You pointed out how much of it relies on the Marvel superhero framework & once said - you’re right 100%. Once arriving at the North Pole happened, I was reminded of how the first ’Santa Clause’ movie handled the Worksop, its personnel - and did such a better job of it.

melchar

When it comes down to it, Christmas is a marketing gimmick itself. IMO the first 80% of the movie works - as long as you don’t think about it too much. The ending is weak & childish in a disappointing way. However it has been well advertised & serves as a ’safe’ family holiday movie.

Darren Mooney

The Rock took a big chunk of this one. I imagine Evans also got well compensated. Outside of that, I don't know how much the usual reasons apply: the "throw bodies at it!" VFX crunch to hit release as the director and producers "pixel-fuck" the hell out of the movie, endless reshoots, expenses accrued by having Evans and Johnson on the payroll that don't count as salary, technically. (The leaked budget for "Black Adam", for example, included a lucrative partnership with the Rock's tequila company, which reportedly both upset producers (it's a family movie) and also effectively funnelled more of the movie's budget to him.)

Darren Mooney

Oh, it'll be all over your Prime page when it hits streaming, I suspect. And with links to the Christmas shopping pages. The theatrical release is most likely a concession to Johnson and Evans.

Darren Mooney

Yep, it becomes much more pronounced after "The Avengers." And, look, I am the last person who wants to pay Whedon a compliment - for various reasons. But he is very good at what he does. And you can tell when Whedon-esque dialogue comes from somebody like Whedon and when it's very much just "a thing these movies do." In "The Avengers", that Whedon banter is there, but it's also very obvious what each character brings to the dynamic. The only time that Steve Rogers actually feels like a guy frozen in the mid-forties is when Whedon writes him. ("There's only one God, ma'am, and he certainly doesn't dress like that," is one of the best lines in the MCU for establishing the tension of throwing these characters together. I also do love the "language!" gag in "Age of Ultron", too.) In contrast, there's a sequence in "Infinity War" of Quill, Strange and Parker arguing on the surface of Titan, and there's no way to tell which character is saying what, because they are all generic quipsters. (I picked a three-person example, because you can generally eliminate the target of a given zinger, but that still leaves two possible candidates.)

Cerulean

Haha! Yeah. I just re-watched a bunch of the MCU through Endgame, and that Whedonesque tone gets louder and louder throughout, until in Endgame you're whiplashing between mockery and interminable selfie bits and big moving sacrifices, and it's jarring. So this has been on my mind. It worked for the MCU (for a long time, anyway). All the tonal copycats, not so much. And it's in Thedas now, so I'm extra cranky about it.

KingDead42

I'm really confused as to the point of this movie. If it's supposed to be "bragging rights" on having a really expensive movie on their service, why not advertise it more? If they just want to fill out their catalog, why not fund 3 or 4 other movies?

NeonTech

Not sure how this has a 250mil budget it looks like such a generic film i do not get holy wood budgets these days tbh.

Darren Mooney

I wonder if that's it. It is arguably shrewder than what it <i>feels</i> like to me, which is simply that this is a movie aimed as teenagers, assuming that teenagers in 2024 are the same as teenagers in 2008 or 2012.

Darren Mooney

... I can kinda see that point. Whedon is definitely Gen X and Gen X culture was defined by a certain sort of detached irony that evolved from contempt to selling out to having contempt for those who had contempt for selling out because nothing matters. But this particular brand of blockbuster filmmaking - while undoubtedly the work of filmmakers who belong to Gen X - is very much tied to millennial audiences. The MCU launches in 2008, and while it's not the only example of it or even the first example, it is the example that codifies it. By that point, Gen X is largely out of the 18-34 demographic that makes up the bulk of the movie-going audience, just as millennials are ageing out right now in real time. That's why I associate it with millennial audiences. (And, to be clear, I say this as a millennial and with no sense of pride.)

Darren Mooney

To be fair, this an Amazon production. This is all just pocket change to them. It's the magazine rack at the checkout. I suspect that how much money this movie - in particular - makes is largely irrelevant. It's an integrated marketting object. It's a way to get the Rock selling Prime Day or to bring parents and kids into the Amazon eco-sphere in the run-up to Christmas. It's less a movie that a marketting gimmick. Which is maybe why it feels so hollow as a movie.

Darren Mooney

Very fair point, but I do try to think the best of these things. I try not to asume the worst, at least. It's maybe naive, but I do try.

Tim Wilson

As soon as I read the top video game was “Vampire Assassin 4” I was painfully catapulted back the noughties and early 10s when nobody making film or TV knew anything about video games or cared enough to check. Sounds like it’s the same level of effort spent researching the rest because I feel the target audience here is actually Dads who will drag their kids to see it because “it’s a Christmas Movie” that’s meant to appeal to them, but isn’t rated too high an age.

Cerulean

"If this template appeals to anyone, it seems like it was tailored for a millennial audience that is already well into adulthood." Whedon is Gen X and so is the anti-sincerity aesthetic in entertainment he popularized. Does it keep getting pinned on Millennials just because we were young while it took over everything? The template appeals to c-suite ghouls who want some of that MCU money, and think winking at the camera and "Well THAT just happened" dialogue are why Marvel did so well.

Jim Roberts-Miller

Here's the thing about a write-off though: It's not free money. It lessens your tax liability. That's it. It's not money coming in to the studio. You still spent those millions of dollars and have nothing to show for it. Enough failures still leaves you broke. You can't spend a write-off.

Pyrian

"It is all incredibly militarized. ... To be clear, this doesn’t seem to have been intentional." Really? The militarization of a movie literally named "Red One" isn't intentional? The trailers seemed to be 100% all-in on "Santa, but military".

Cameron Gore

They won't stop until the government stops allowing them to write off huge losses like this (Bat Girl comes to mind). We need a shake up in Hollywood like Lucus, Spielberg, Coppola, etc. did in the 70s.

Jack Philipson

Eventually, surely, if films like this keep bombing they will stop making them. Like, executives don't wake up in the morning and go "you know what I think I need to get the studio to lose several hundred million dollars". (Well, I assume they don't, although sometimes I do wonder what is possessing them to greenlight projects like this)


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