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[COLUMN] A Grand, Unified Theory of Tim Burton | by Darren Mooney

🕑 Added 2024-09-01 18:05:45 +0000 UTC

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Darren Mooney

Yep. Burton's early films were cynical, but largely cynical about things - suburbia, the studios, the American government - that you probably should approach with a healthy skepticism. Whereas they were achingly sincere in their approach to their (often freakish or disenfranchised) leads. Whereas I don't see too much of either extreme in his recent work. There is a little cynicism about Disney in "Dumbo", but - as you point out - very little actual sincerity.

Tim Wilson

I’m reminded of what you said about the Crow, that it had a real sincerity about it that I think it really missing from Burton in the last decades. Maybe he just doesn’t have any weird little things he really cares that much about now, or he is too concerned with his future brand. Maybe doing some work under a pen name could help, but (I’m sure you’ll know if there is) I don’t think you can really direct films under a pseudonym, especially these days!

Darren Mooney

Yep. I think it's fairly hard to deny that there's a thread of frustration running through his past decade (or two) of films, but a strange reluctance to take the sort of chances that one would need to take in order to actually counteract those anxieties. (Off the top of my head, make a smaller film or make a film with a smaller studio or find something personal to him or do something relatively new and unexpected. Basically, get out of his comfort zone. But the thing about comfort zones is that... well, they are comfortable.)

Tim Wilson

This was a fun article, with quite a few “oh yeah, I forgot he made that!” moments. Honestly, amongst the goths of my youth, there was a certain contempt for the “Burton goths”, the ones who were obsessed with Jack Skellington and a few other Burton properties and nothing else; people are often surprised I’m not more into him even today. As you said, it’s difficult to be the counter-culture when you’ve successfully made it the culture. But maybe that’s also just what it is. Perhaps Burton just became happy and comfortable where he was, and this is where he’s always wanted to be. Whether or not he’s satisfied with that seems to be the question, and from your analysis, it does seem that he’d like to burst free but has no clue how to now he’s in his zone. A victim of his own success?

Darren Mooney

Oh yeah, he seems happy in his personal life, even if his films suggest he’s maybe got a complicated relationship to his art. And I don’t begrudge that happiness. He owes me nothing. Few directors gave me one film as good as “Batman Returns”, “Ed Wood” or “Mars Attacks!” It’s churlish to expect more, even if I still hope that he has something as good as, say, “Sweeney Todd” left in him.

Darren Mooney

Thank you! It's a bit longer than usual, but worth it, I hope.

William Alexander

I thought there wasn’t much interesting to say about Tim Burton that hasn’t been said already, but I really enjoyed this.

Rev Zsaz

True enough. I still can't imagine many of my early years without his work present. Although he became part of the establishment, I get a feeling this is (at least in part) something he wanted for a long time. Acceptance comes in many flavors.

Darren Mooney

It's hard to rebel against the establishment when you *are* the establishment.

Rev Zsaz

As with many people over a course of time - "These shackles? I hardly notice them anymore. They stopped hurting long ago and I can move as freely as I need to."


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