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[COLUMN] Agatha All Along isn't Nearly Magical Enough | by Darren Mooney

🕑 Added 2024-09-20 14:00:13 +0000 UTC

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Tim Wilson

I've started to get passingly into Marvel comics in the past few weeks with my other exposure being the movies and some games but I was really struck by how big a part magic and theology plays in it. But ~I don't think it's ever going to be something the MCU dares lean into. Can you imagine if Drs Strange and Doom teamed up to save his mother's soul on screen from the literal devil? Or the Hulk fighting the One Below All, or the One Above All aids the Avengers? They'd be too scared of the Christian Right reacting, and I think it's that same fear and inability to trust the audience that stops them really delving deep into magic. It's what made The Sandman wonderfully surreal and unique by comparison, a show that just said 'Yep, this has happened because of magic, keep up or leave, just roll with it.' It wasn't the easiest watch but when done well it's captivating.

Darren Mooney

I think the only Pratchett book I've read was "Good Omens." And that was decades ago. Liked it, though.

Darren Mooney

I think the problem, then, is that I'd need to consult a rule book while watching. (Indeed, there is something video-game-y about the logic of the show that becomes clearer in later episodes. And I don't mean that as an insult, but I do also think those mechanics are easier to understand for a player than a viewer, if that makes cense?)

Darren Mooney

Not a bad hook!

JR

Sounds like a good time to read/listen to some of Terry Pratchett's witches books again. They are, in my eyes, essential reading for anyone who wants to use and confront witch stereotypes at the same time in order to tell any kind of parable about real people. In fact, one could argue that they do a lot of what Agatha All Along seems to be doing as well in a different "shared universe"... (And, wonderfully, they do so much more. God, I wish, Terry Pratchett was still here to put our recent times' struggles into stories with as much heart as he always did his.)

Moff Muppet

I think you could pull off the whole "magic is just science fiction"-thing... but then you'd have to really lean into it. Make it work like an actual science, with defined laws and stuff. "No Agatha, you can't just mix earth magic and fire magic. According to Merlin's third principle you need a conduit to readjust their wavelengths first."

Jack Philipson

The price of breaking the rules in Witch Hat is purely social and societal which is a really interesting route to go down. Witches can do basically anything but have to give incredible consideration to how they use magic and for whom. The world has previously been harmed by the rampant misuse of magic and the recurrence of this is rightly feared. The rule most important to the story is that magic must never be directly used on the human body, and the harm that occurs through both adhering to the rule and by breaking it is given a lot of prominence. There's a great little incidental moment where someone using magic for voyeurism is directly equated to someone using it to modify a person, because they are both forms of violation, and that is what the rules are there to prevent.

Darren Mooney

Yep. I find magic is a metaphor, and it works best for me when its logic is poetic rather than literal. The idea that comes up frequently in stories about magic that every magic trick has a cost, and that cost isn’t necessarily one you get to determine when you use it. So using it gets you what you think you want, but comes with the expectation that you lose just as much - literally or metaphorically. I quite like, say, Hickman writing Doctor Strange bartering his soul for more magic power. And how that isn’t a price you immediately pay like losing health points, but ends up leading Strange and his colleagues down dark paths to unforgivable places, because he absolutely felt that he needed to power.

Jack Philipson

On the subject of how magic is presented, this year I read and fell in love with the first twelve volumes of Kamome Shirahama's manga Witch Hat Atelier which I think really gets magic right. (Among many other things) There are a few, simple, comprehensible inherent facts about *how* magic is performed, but there is very little apparent limit to what it can actually achieve when put into practice, and the *why* is the stuff of myth. What really works is that there are many socially imposed rules about magic which are not simply abstract or maliciously imposed taboos set to get in the characters' way, but principles that have a clear, logical intent to prevent abuse behind them. Shirahama doesn't shy away from showing the horrific effects of magic applied with malignant intent, but this is carefully balanced against showing how delightful it is to be able to make the impossible possible. The way it includes darkness in general without losing a fundamental sense of warmth is in general very impressive. (There's a promising looking anime adaptation coming out next year so now is a great time to invest some time into this one) I'm also reminded of the rather good BBC version of Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell from 2015, which was delightfully weird and used magic as a vehicle to examine ideas about Englishness and masculinity and academic conflict.

Shannon Vanshoon

Definitely an interesting article, especially on a show that I frankly had no interest in watching anyway... given that I was probably one of the few people who tried WandaVision, but never got into it. (Seriously, you have Debra Lou Repp; how do you make a sitcom with her NOT FUNNY?) Anyway, that's actually something else that's bugged me about the MCU and its apparent absolute phobia regarding anything 'magic'-based. The whole deal with Thor and Asgard was definitely something I noticed, and Doctor Strange and its use of 'tesseracts' in terms of how it worked also bugged me. I would also mention the whole duel between Strange and Spider-Man, with Parker exclaiming, 'Wait, I get it; it's all math!' I almost wanted to throw something at the damn TV at that line. Granted, Multiverse of Madness at least started to go in a good direction on that... but frankly it was all brought down by Wanda's entire story-arc. Not that it wasn't an indictment of how the MCO has treated its female superheros in general (Black Widow, for example).

Darren Mooney

I don't know if I agree with that. I think the cost is completely manufactured. I think jokes are good. I like jokes. I think they work well when they are funny, and don't feel like they come from a place of insecurity. I think of the movies of the eighties, which were often very funny, but were very rarely about characters staring down the camera and reassuring the audience that they are absolutely in on the joke. In "Beverly Hills Cop", Axel isn't constantly joking about how unlikely it is that the bullets keep missing him, for example. (The Christopher Nolan "Batman" and Matt Reeves' "The Batman" movies are quite good at that - the Penguin correcting Batman and Gordon's Spanish is lovely, as is the Joker, say, deadpanning "... yes" to "... you think you can just steal from us and walk away?" Those are moments that are funny without having to go, "Don't you think it's silly that the premise of this movie is happening? We do too!")

Matt A

I don't know

Matt A

Counterpoint. I view the jokes as the cost to have the rest. A cost I would rather not pay but will if I have to. I get the sense from previous productions that the executives would really have preferred not to give any money to this project. So maybe there were concessions to be made to get it made at all. And WandaVision being the success it was gives a little more freedom


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