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[COLUMN] A Complete Unknown Challenges Its Audience | by Darren Mooney

🕑 Added 2025-02-02 15:00:11 +0000 UTC

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JR

Love the spoiler warning!

Darren Mooney

I appreciate the TED Talk.

LookItsAnEric

The historical context of Dylan as an artist is a strange one, I'm somewhat of a scholar of contemporary music (or at least I was in college) and I had always put forth the theory that Dylan was always a reactionary rather than revolutionary. He was and has always been an artist and a performer, the same way that Cillian Murphy is an actor, both men are incredibly famous, and neither one wants to be, or that their fame is an unwelcome consequence brought on by their undeniable talent. Dylan was never someone who did things normally, he was incredibly lyricist and songwriter right from the get-go. He says that he channels his music, that it just comes to him, which when taken at his word is certainly true when looking at his output which was and is still prolific. But I am of the opinion that he is constantly reacting against the image of himself in a very purposeful way. It seems to me that he's always been that way. With the exception of his first album that was almost entirely covers, with one original composition, he always went against the grain musically even when he fit into genres comfortably. He had a way of creating mystery about himself by being contradictory and confrontational in interviews and in his personal life, which I believe as a reaction to the curated image of pop musicians and celebrities of the time, when there was an innocence and calculated presentation of personality and talent. He filtered his reactionary and antagonistic tendencies through his music which as time went on flowed from impressionistic (Blond on Blonde/Basement Tapes) to diaristic (Blood on the Tracks) to pure abstraction (Self Portrait). He even reacted to his reputation as a "shifting and ever changing artist" dismantling his image in the late 70s and 80s when he converted to very openly Christianity (alienating a large portion of the his fanbase and critical reception) and his experimentation with production and recording techniques when he defied all expectation and incorporated electronic music (Empire Burlesque). I could go on and on but ultimately, the one thing that connects Dylan above all else through his now almost six decade career is his natural reactionary and trickster mentality. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.

Darren Mooney

I don't really have a horse in this race. I'm not a huge Dylan guy. I once dated a person who was very into Dylan, and they would go to any of his gigs here and in the United Kingdom, admitting that it was always either the best or the worst night of their life, and that sort of approach is not for me personally. But then, I wouldn't go to a Bob Dylan concert on my own back and I certainly wouldn't book him for a concert unless I was willing to accept those odds. Even with "A Complete Unknown", I got the sense that watching it that Seeger was being put in what might be termed "the Salieri role." That said, I do think Dylan is fairly undeniable as an artist, in the same way that - say - Tarkovsky is a filmmaker whose work I don't particularly enjoy but who is, I think, undeniable as an artist. But I do think that the film's point is perfectly valid. You book Dylan to play your festival (in the film, he closes it, in reality he just played it) knowing that his name is selling seats and drawing attention to your festival, either you trust him or you don't. If you don't trust him, don't book him, and you lose a certain segment of your audience, but that's okay because maybe you don't want that audience. It's very similar to my take on, say, Warner Bros.' handling of "Justice League." You don't want a Zack Snyder "Justice League?" Fine, don't hire him to make it. Or wait to hire him to make it until after his previous film has been released. Don't hire him, knowing that he works in the way that he does, let him start working, and then get anxious when he does the things that he is known for doing. To be clear, obviously Dylan is a more noteworthy and significant artist. But the point stands; you book Dylan, he shows up, and he gifts you the first live performance of "Like a Rolling Stone", which is already on the album and so already recognised as this huge totemic moment in musical history this gamechanger for song writing. (That's very firmly in the "best night" category as far as Dylan concerts go.) The correct response is, "Wow." It is not chaos, violence, and bottles thrown at the stage. It is, I think, perfectly valid to look critically at an establishment and an audience who rejects that gift.

Darren Mooney

Yep. I do wonder about that trend. It really feels like that's the defining legacy of Peter Morgan's "Blair" trilogy, which is to construct these more tightly woven biopics as opposed to the old-fashioned cradle-to-grave epics like, say, "Nixon." And not that I mind those, but it feels so much more satisfying to have a clear arc and structure, you know?

ArthurCrane

If nothing else, I think this movie serves as an example of how these music biopics tend to be better when they focus on a specific part of the famous person's life/career (in this case, Dylan's rise to fame and going electric) instead of trying to tell us the whole breath of their life story.

Dale

I haven't seen the movie, but as a Pete Seeger fan and a Bob Daylan hater, I want to defend Seeger: Dylan didn't want to bring rock sounds into the folk culture, he wanted to enter rock culture with the folk sound, or perhaps to remake folk's culture in rock's image. Pete Seeger saw folk music as a kind of community practice that was primarily valuable because of its accessibility. The traditional musical sensibility protects this accessibility by downplaying the role of musical talent and expensive equipment. Bob Dylan wanted to leverage the folk music aesthetic to become a rock star (albeit a surly and idiosyncratic one). He wanted personal recognition as an artist, something Seeger correctly perceived as antithetical to the folk spirit. That Dylan's strategy was ultimately more commercial is hardly a vindication.


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