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[COLUMN] The People's Joker is a Triumph of Outsider Pop Art | by Darren Mooney

🕑 Added 2025-02-10 15:00:13 +0000 UTC

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Darren Mooney

Thank you! This means a lot to me. I wasn't sure what the third slot this week would be, and I was wary of writing about "The People's Joker" because it's been covered a great deal and had been done by much better writers. So I'm delighted people got something from it.

Darren Mooney

Yep. And I do think "Blood and Honey" is an "as above, so below" thing. Where that's what our culture has been conditioned to expect an IP play to look like, so naturally it's the first thing that is done with an out-of-term IP.

Dan McAlister

I’m a big believer in more limited IP regulations than what we have now, and love seeing this kind of remix/re-interpretive work get recognition. However, I also forget that, as you point out, works like “Blood and Honey” can be just as guilty of cultural fracking as corporate owners. Thank you for spotlighting work that takes IP in more enriching directions.

William Alexander

Even when a topic has been covered before by authors I like, DM manages to find an interesting or new take. I appreciate that!

Darren Mooney

Thank you. I also think, while that is the most important thing, it’s not the only thing. I hate to center the cis experience here, but it was also - like “I Saw the TV Glow” - just really interesting in terms of shared that experience (or a version) of that experience with somebody who has been lucky enough to always feel at home in the body that I was born to. I feel like I have a better emotional understanding than I did before watching either, if that makes sense? It’s just interesting to have somebody share their perspective and their experiences. We are very limited creatures in some respects - our lives are our own, others are unknowable to us by their nature - but I feel like art is one of the small ways we get to broaden that perspective, even a little bit.

Darren Mooney

I was surprised at how much I chuckled at it.

Darren Mooney

Oh, it is absolutely is fan fiction. But most licensed media is fan fiction! It just happens to be rubber stamped by the corporate owners. (“The Rise of Skywalker”, for example, is fan fiction in ways that are pejorative. It is, to me, indistinguishable from the worst impulses of fan fiction. But, say, Tom King’s “Mister Miracle”, which is about his own marriage and his own psychological issues, is also fan fiction, but to a much better end.) Most comics since the seventies are fan fiction, the work of ascended fans interpreting/homaging/reimagining classic characters. That does not diminish them, to be clear.

Mastrix

Thank you for writing this Darren, it gives a very insightful context that I think helps broaden the exposure of the important use of art and cinema, to an audience that may be less familiar with trans people and the (often uniquely singular and personal) experience of the recognition and awakening of queer identity. Right now, especially. <3

Tim Wilson

This is really interesting, especially for a character which more and more has been flattened into a series of symbols that twists into whatever the plot needs at the time. I think everyone has some characters that they relate to on a formative level and it’s frankly shocking that Warner have been somewhat on board with this. There’s a lot of jokes to make that this is fancy self-insert fanfiction but people have long used such things as a method of self-expression through a lens that means something to them. If it does well, this may be a space to watch.

Samantha Yost

I adore this film; I wish more people would go see it. It is also far funnier than I expected it to be.

Michael McCarthy

"What is and is not allowed to exist within that canon is tightly regulated." Not sure I agree with this or we have perhaps a different understanding of the term. I think DC have been quite vague about what is canon with regards to the DCU/ Gunnverse which allowed for flexibility when stuff (often) didn't land. The MCU has been a bit more regulated perhaps but they've changed paths multiple times (Agents of Shield, Daredevil). They are corporate owned but it doesn't feel like something like Star Wars where a whole slate of expanded universe was wiped off the board to make room for new material and even some of that is being rolled back. And to be honest, the fans gatekeeping of the canon tends to be much more offensive than the conglomerates. At the end of the day, they want to make money and trans money is just as green as any other. It's the old guard fan and grifter influencers backlash to any kind of progressivism that prevents more alternative 'official' interpretations. Would we have had more official queer Batman interpretations if the media and fanbase didn't crap all over Schumaker's films even 28 years after release? The studios can make the movies but people have to show up to them and make them profitable.


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