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[COLUMN] Wicked is Finally Here, But Is It Too Late? | by Darren Mooney

🕑 Added 2024-11-25 15:00:14 +0000 UTC

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Antiphar

"The monster was the hero all along" feels like the complement to the other media trope of today, probably most popular in the walking dead series... "the real monster was people all along"

JR

I see your point. And yes, it works well for witches (and has for quite some time, see only Pratchett's witches) as they are, indeed, "classic" villains, but also harmless in the sense that you can tell many a story about witches without hurting anyone with their portrayal. My impression is just that there might generally soon be less sympathy for those perceived as villains, and therefore less interest to make them appear relatable. And, on the other hand, there might be a larger resistance to taking on the mantle of villainy for the purpose of telling, in reality, a story of the suppression of a group to which the story is sympathetic. But maybe you're right and claiming or designating villains will become more of a trend. Somehow I still think, these stories will then have a different feel...

Grey1

The point is, though, that making the villains understandable and relatable isn't excusing evil deeds, or making evil deeds attractive, but rather turning the spotlight on the societal patterns that produced these concepts of villains. "Witches" actually being the big example of classic villains (especially Disney villains) that have been reframed through feminism and "accurate history" - a witch not being a super villain but rather a smart woman villified by men in power and envious and/or fearful people. It's where The Acolyte is butting heads when using witches not as Lucas' "evil Sith witches" but as "the other" that would better be understood peacefully. And it's where Agatha All Along is associating witches with queerness up to eleven. But you can also see it in Joker, where it's not really about an excuse for a guy turning to violence but about failures of society and their potential ramifications. Now, if anything, I'd expect both even more active attempts to reclaim villified antagonists in the fight against The Man; and more conservative, reactionary attempts designed to cater to that part of the audience that appears to be quite happy with who's taking over.

Darren Mooney

Thank you!

JR

I suppose there'll be a shift in the next years. After all, there is a general feeling of "The villains are taking over" in real world politics these days and those who would tell them as heroes, tell different, differently sympathetic stories, I guess. I just wonder what it could shift to... I mean, who wants to believe in the classic heroes these days?!

Justin Buergi

Always love reading your critical reviews of movies/shows I have no intention of ever watching lol.

Darren Mooney

Oh, I don't think it's the origin, but it's certainly our generation's defining trend-setter. (In that it sets the framework (an existing story), a genre (fantasy), a particular kind of film (usually harking back to the middle of the twentieth century) and even a lens (feminism). It's rare to see an original story told from the established villain's point of view ("Megamind" is maybe the one example), or an action movie from a villain's perspective ("Die Hard" from Hans Gruber's point of view?) , in the style of, say, New Hollywood ("Jaws" from the perspective of the shark?) or through another lens (racism or classism, to pick two obvious examples)? And sure, there are examples that flirt with some of these - "Black Panther" and "Gladiator II" are sympathetic to their race-conscious villains, for example - but rarely centring the villain and being, "This is their story.")

Grey1

I never had Wicked on my pop culture radar, so it's very interesting that this could be one of the origins of the sympathetic villain origin story, which truly has had more broad application over recent years (especially when factoring in more recent non-evil Disney/Pixar villains or from-a-certain-point-of-view monsters in (Disney) Marvel and Star Wars). Are there any more examples of reframing a classical villain, of reinterpreting a conflict? I feel like I should have another case on the tip of my tongue, but I'm drawing a blank.

Darren Mooney

Oh, absolutely. That's why the stage version of "Wicked" feels like a much truer sequel (well, prequel) to "The Wizard of Oz" than the film adaptation. It's matte paintings, sets, props, make-up, etc.

Tim Wilson

I was thinking the other day and for me, the difference between a stage show and film adaptation is often the difference between seeing a new cg film and an older film that relied on practical effects, or even just a stage magician. It’s the wonderment of “wow, how did they do that?!” Or “I can’t believe these actors and performers do this day after day, night after night with no mistakes” or even “I can’t believe they did that song, scene etc. in one take!” I really feel modern films struggle to capture that sense of wonder other than “sweet god, how many people worked for how many hours on those particle effects…?”

Darren Mooney

I would have thought that the success of "Hamilton" would have contributed to that, to be honest. If anything, I suspect the success of this is going to rush a more "traditional" adaptation of "Hamilton" into production.

Darren Mooney

Oh, I love the Broadway show. And I am very curious how they'll adapt Part Two. In that Part One works largely because it ends with "Defying Gravity", perhaps the <i>most</i> Broadway number ever. I feel like if, say, "Gladiator II" ended with Paul Mescal and Denzel Washington singing "Defying Gravity", I'd be a lot more forgiving of it.

Tim Wilson

This has been the sense I’ve had since I saw the trailer: “wait, they haven’t done that yet?!” It’s been some 12ish years since I saw the show and I enjoyed it a lot, but I can’t say the trailer inspired me to see the movie, especially as part 1 of 2; it seemed amazingly cgi heavy even for the modern age. I am a big proponent of filmed theatre performances though, so maybe we’ll see that on the horizon in a few years as well?

Brian S

I've seen the Broadway show, and it's actually a very good idea to separate the film into two parts. The first half of the play is incredible, but the second half, which hews much more closely to the original film, is average at best. Part one will make scads of money, and the part two will probably flop. I'm not exaggerating about the difference in quality between the two halves; it's striking how much of a letdown the second part is.


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