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[COLUMN] Looking Back at the Nostalgia of 2017 | by Darren Mooney

🕑 Added 2025-01-12 15:00:12 +0000 UTC

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JR

To your fourth point: That's a very interesting aspect, isn't it? We might agree that a lot of modern media made to be consumed and then put away is better when consumed in smaller more spaced out doses, but at the same time, we would be a little confused if, at any given time, there wasn't a "big" movie at the cinema or on TV. It's just noteworthy (and somewhat comforting) that even then, the supply can start outweighing the demand in a way that just making something of middling quality doesn't bring in a sustainable profit.

Darren Mooney

Yeah, the final Vader scene is just the worst impulses of modern movies. (He has a smaller scene earlier that is *just enough* for me, in that it serves to contextualise how our characters fit int he larger context of the saga.) It's a shame, because (digital necromancy aside), I really love that movie up until the final frame of Jyn and Cassian's final scene. Or the first frame after that. You get what I mean.

William Alexander

Interesting. I've been leery of it even as I've loved Andor. To back you up the main thing I've heard people go on is a scene where Darth Vader mows down rebel after rebel as they just barely pass off the plans. I get the appeal but it seems very fan-fictiony (nice enough but pulling from old SW nostalgia more than what's needed at the moment).

William Alexander

Thanks for putting in words a lot of the thoughts I've been having. A few supplemental thoughts: 1) God Twin Peaks the Return and Blade Runner 2049 are wonderful. Watched those recently and feel like I'd enjoy a rewatch, as opposed to nostalgia bait that I've enjoyed but have no need to ever revisit (Spiderman No Way Home) 2) The first movie sequel, Godfather Part II, technically checks off all the requirements of what's wrong with modern cinema: A sort of sequel/prequel interquel that picks up after a perfect ending. (Looking forward to seeing that again after rewatching part I). 3) Scott Pilgrim seems like it tried to break the trend by doing a mature nostalgia revisit. But it failed completely so I think it still fits with your theme. Cheap sequels are like processed foods. They are easy to market and sell to a broad audience. 4) A very small consolation: Maybe it's not so bad for people who aren't as immersed in culture as we are? Lots of people don't think about and analyze every new major release or see movies all that often. I saw Deadpool & Wolverine and thought it was fine, but that was my first Deadpool ever and my first Marvel in a while. (And it filled my Deadpool quota for the next decade).

Jesus

In hindsight Rogue One is probably one of the most sinister film to be made. It has the same issues as any new legacy sequel does. The most disturbing thing was seeing the film as after hearing about Carrie Fisher’s death and it ending with a CGI recreation of her. It was an omen of things to come.

Adam Heikkila

You're absolutely right. While it's obviously bad for individuals in the industry right now, maybe it will be good in the long run to let the mega corporations defeat themselves by firing everyone and trying to use an algorithm​ to create money 🤷🏼‍♂️

Lil' Cass

Fair enough, and thank you for giving your opinion on them: because you always give such thought-provoking views on stuff like fandoms, that episode of The Backdrop is one of my favorites💖😄

Darren Mooney

To be fair, the videos are mostly coincidences. It was just those two topics were timely. The articles, I think, are more variable. I think the “Skeleton Crew” piece was quite upbeat. As was, I think, “A Real Pain”, given the subject matter. But I think it is that we’re in the phase of the year where these sorts of projects come out, and so I’m responding to them.

Darren Mooney

To be fair, I think it’s the week that’s in it. Not personally, just culturally. It has been a long one, and it feels like a return to sort of insanity that I’d hoped was behind us.

Darren Mooney

Oh yeah, there’s a whole story there. Kurt Russell spent the nighties playing characters Gunn used as a model for Peter Quill in movies like “Escape from New York”, “The Thing”, “Big Trouble in Little China.” Quill’s energy is kinda a combination of those roles, which makes sense - he was abducted from Earth in the eighties. So casting Russell was a meta-joke. That said, Russell is great. If you haven’t seen those films, check them out. Love Kurt Russell.

Darren Mooney

Yep, it’s weird. I’d kinda expect the tone of this stuff to be triumphalist. You know? Nostalgia won pop culture. But instead, there’s this weird funereal tone to it all. I’m not sure I’d agree with “nihilistic.” It’s more like the “acceptance” stage of grief, which is not what you’d expect the vibe to be. Like, for all that “Deadpool and Wolverine” puts Wolverine in the yellow suit, it’s arguably even grimmer than “Logan” was. In that at least “Logan” ended with the hope that maybe the next generation could escape this. But I think you’re on to something there, broadly. I love the “enshittification” point.

Darren Mooney

To be fair, isn’t there some suggestion based on what we learned during the strikes that they are leaning in that direction?

Lil' Cass

Are you okay Darren? Your past few articles and videos have been reflectively somber, not that that's a bad thing, it's just..... quite curious.

Lil' Cass

That's what I'm wondering

Lil' Cass

Thank you for writing this Darren❤. Your past few articles and videos have had quite the reflective tone to them, which isn't a bad thing, 'cause it's been getting me to reflect on things too💖, even though doing so is very scary, anxious, and nerve-wracking. 😨😱😰

Lil' Cass

Persona 5 Royal, an enhanced re-release of the 2016/2017 original, explored nostalgia and escapism in 2020 amidst global COVID-19 quarantining like it was 2017. Hell, even Wandavision explored nostalgia. But yes, you are right Darren: nostalgia definitely ain't what it used to be for sure.

Jeroen Delcour

This article feels more defeatist than usual. Are you okay, Darren?

Lil' Cass

Wait, Peter Quill's dad was played by an '80s icon star?👀They did that on purpose😆, they just had to🤣😂: they had to have known what they were doing with that and I love it💖😄

James

Great article. It honestly feels like nostalgia has become enshittified. Nostalgic IP is not being made for customers anymore, but for executives and shareholders. And as we've all seen by now, executives and shareholders only see the surface-level veneer of art. Does it look pretty and does it have recognisable characters and references? The franchise sequels that still succeed at least have some kind of creative vision behind them, and that includes Deadpool & Wolverine. It's still "A Kevin Feige Production", after all. But otherwise, I feel like the nihilism in nostalgia is coming from writers having to work in an industry where the final product genuinely does not matter to the higher-ups.

Adam Heikkila

The corporations may as well use AI to write their scripts seeing as how they only want retellings of past successes.


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