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Wearing Power Armor to a Magic School (112/?)

🕑 Added 2024-12-23 00:34:56 +0000 UTC

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Jacob

I didn't mean an actual city-ship, I meant a city-sized (or city-block sized) cargo ship. And there has to be some predecessor to those fusion torche after all.

eskrelli

she's the best of the best, selected for that, probably had a lot of courses on various engineering topic in order to be able to face such challenges. who knows, maybe she even have an augmented brain with neurocybernetics.

Michael Halpern

For city ships you're more likely to go with a fusion torch. or if thats not available, electric propulsion, with some chemical for quicker maneuvers, as the advantage of a city ship is that you can take your good old time, for shipping, you'd put it into a Cycler orbit,

Jacob

Because it'd be a fun thing to see the reaction to is all. And orion drives would be practical for smaller scales than you say, like for city-sized ships. Ship cargo capacity had to massively scale up somehow at some point to reach the levels it currently is at

Roman Babynyuk

So as it currently stands, Nexus can't do much to Earth, and Earth can't do much to the Nexus. However, sharing their tech to the adjacent realms could give the nexus a really big rebellion to deal with. But that's a solid 300 chapters into the future, if ever

Roman Babynyuk

As a counterpoint, Earch can *technically* go to the Nexus in their ships, it's but a matter of putting every soldier/crewman into a mana-resistant suit. The Nexus, on the other hand, can't. If I remember correctly, their magic consists of manipulating/using ambient mana/manastreams. With no such thing in Earthrealm, all of the Nexus' powerful toys/armies mean nothing, that's if they can even survive in a mana-less environment and don't suffer the same fate as emma's predecessor.

Michael Halpern

you know, as much as I am looking forward to SPAACE im also looking forward to the gang learning about the Lathe and its significance, after all, they have only scratched the surface of what you can do by spinning a long piece of metal,

Michael Halpern

best diplomatic gift would be engine lathes and vertical mills

giann flroesca

Relax you must, young padawan <-- star wars reference to Yoda's speech btw.

giann flroesca

Relax man, I know what happened bec. of the announcement and wasn't actually trying to force the issue. Just some lighthearted banter to show how much I like the story if the movie references and comical spelling wasn't enough for you.

Duplicitous Michael

They just lost their grandmother, find some patience.

Michael Halpern

if you can move a mountain, you can level a city. WW1 trench warfare is probably a good reference point, because that was they last major conflict where melee weapons saw widespread use, mostly in the form of bayonets but there were also some swords and maces for trench fighting. By WW2 while there were some bayonet charges (and notably Bonzai raids) the prevalence of automatic and semi automatic weapons limited it to true desperation, and the bayonets were almost entirely used for the utility of having a sizable knife, and almost never mounted to the primary weapon outside of training. hell the M3 greese gun doesn't even have lugs for a bayonet.

Michael Halpern

im more curious if "Atlantis" or some cleae bastardization of the name is familiar to the Nexus

Michael Halpern

what makes you think they used nuke pulse drives? the only real application for those is if you want to move a moon as part of terraforming, and for late redirection of a large or interstellar body.

giann flroesca

Patience, I do not have young padawan

Google Google

Patience is the key

giann flroesca

I know but still....MOOAOAAAAR

Michael Halpern

in 10 days,

giann flroesca

MOOOOAAAAARRRR

Jacob

I'm waiting to see Thalmin's & Thacea's reaction to Project-Orion style propulsion in Humanity's early mass-spacefareing age.

Jacob

Ah, the classic "tyranny of the rocket equation" :-)

Michael Halpern

The Nexus can teleport armies, and Earth has very limited production capacity for mana resistant materials, which the Nexus doesn't need to such an extent, in everything else Earth production equipment go brr, however it will be a while before they can produce more of the mana resistant materials to get additional operators and equipment to various adjacent realms, and that's before factoring in ships which would be their most important tactical assets, especially carriers and destroyers in this case given the atmospheric fighting but it's not like they can take their ships to the Nexus itself, when they figure out how to send them to adjacent realms, they'd be limited to orbital bombardment and support.

Dagnis

I misinterpreted "VVVVvvrrrrrr!!" as a whistle at first and thought for a second that the group would see something different :D

Michael Halpern

unfortunately given the context of the situation, every gift would be a diplomatic one

Alexander

Courius to see if "Gaia" turns out to be a nexian god.

Alexander

She was specially trained for this mission and the EVI is probably giving hints too.

B L

Emma should gift him a recumbent bicycle. They are aerodynamic and fast!

Canpinter

Every time there has been one in emmas presentations hes looked at it with alot of interest, and it wouldn't be a diplomatic gift just a friendly one,

Bbobsillypants

A book on the basics of aviation so Thacea and Thalmin can make hybrid science/magical aircraft. Magically reinforced wooden frames to substitute aluminum and magically driven propellers which is said to be a basic ask for an artificer. Thamlins could finally try fish now that his realms transportation and trade infrastructure no longer has to flow through constantly freezing rivers. Imagine an aircraft that is dirt simple, super robust, cheap to build, and doesn't ever require fuel because it can run off of ambient mana.

Michael Halpern

why a bike? Diplomatic gifts should be those that help prove Earth's worth as an ally.

Canpinter

So Emma is definitely 3d printing Thalmin a bike for Christmas right?

Michael Halpern

M i don't get where you think Ilunor didn't grow up in the Nexus, the Dragonlands are PART of the Nexus proper, he grew up without stars in the sky

Michael Halpern

he saw Emma's stealth poncho

Michael Halpern

if any of them knows of the concept of the atom, it's Ilunor, that'd be pretty important for transmutation considering Thacea's reaction to the new information on the shards of impart

Bbobsillypants

He seemed non plussed by Emma's invisible mother ship drone, and that thing was armed.

Bbobsillypants

The question is does any of them know what an atom is.

Bbobsillypants

The OSI database is dynamic and is essentially psychologically profiling the gang as they go along. Emma is likely reading off a script for the most part, as well as she just a very smart and educated girl even before she was picked up by the I.A.S and trained for a year in this stuff

Michael Halpern

the Dynamo or more generally Lorenz Law in its applications for motor and generators is really easy to demonstrate

Michael Halpern

Thalmin can probably guess, his reaction to learning about how guns are standard issue is in line with the thinking when "leading from the front" became much less popular.

Michael Halpern

the problem is that having WMDs really changes the dynamic for diplomacy and at this phase, not in a good way

Duplicitous Michael

Yeah but if it’s shared only between the gang, I don’t see how that could be the case. She’s already alluded to Humanities destructive potential before, without specifics.

Duplicitous Michael

Well I think Thalmin might want to circle back on the more martial applications of manaless artifices, once the whole “piercing the tapestry” explanation is at its closure. But I could be wrong.

M

I think they are more or less on parity in a few fields, but in many more Earth should be way ahead. And especially with the data Emma is gathering, scientists back home will make quick progress understanding magic and its capabiliities.

M

Ilunor didn't grow up in the Nexus, but I guess since the Nexus freed them from the dragons and pretty much turned them into a civilized species, they never even tried to find a use for oil.

M

The drones have cloaking capabilities.

M

Understandably. Knowledge about weapon capabilities like that reaching the wrong Nexian could lead to extreme reactions...

Michael Halpern

it will be interesting when Ilunor and Thalmin realize just where the metals in the wealth cube came from

Michael Halpern

EVI probably provided some notes to read off of

Michael Halpern

she's doing what she can to avoid that subject it seems

Ragnar Pendon

Probably a very robust education that was hinted at in the first few chapters when the government chose her specifically for this mission

Anton

Super excited for the next chapter. But one comment, not specifically about this chapter but more in general: isn't Emma like 19? How in the world does she know so much about so many varied subjects that happened over 1000 years ago? Even with the suit providing information, she seems especially knowledgeable and/or good at improvisational speaking for her age.

Michael Halpern

she's also the one thats most suspicious of that explanation.

UC-79

Holotent date #2 would be fun. emma gets to see how she reacts before the others, and thacea gets to be the first one to see emma. Perfect.

Duplicitous Michael

If and when Emma covers the atomic bomb, it’d be cool if she had her preamble with the backdrop of the Manhattan project, and finishes it off with “the power of the atom.”, kind of like Iron Man 1 with the Jericho missile demonstration, but instead it’s a mushroom cloud from the first nuclear test.

Michael Halpern

i suspect those lasers are more "master key" and hold out weapon than anything they are mounted in a position that isn't conducive to aiming very far

A B

She does have those lasers on her arms ….

Michael Halpern

Im pretty sure Emma has or can print out a MANPADS, hell it might even be "hand thrown" and integrated with her suit. and that's not to mention the railgun.

Allen Mainville

“‘First’? What do you mean, ‘first’?”

Allen Mainville

Mages might be capable of artillery barrages, but I doubt adjacent realm mages are capable of the kind of artillery bombardment that was seen in the first and second world wars, where some of them would last hours, even days, just launching shell after shell.

Michael Halpern

i bet Thacea will bring it up in private first,

UC-79

I'm betting thalmin. Thacea might suspect it already, but she's far too polite to bring it up in front of the others. Once he sees we're colonizing space/claiming "minor realms" (not to mention FTL and KKVs), and understands we're a full parallel to the nexus? He's gonna want to see the face of the adjacent realms last hope for freedom. Might suspect WHY emma is hiding it too, once he works out that the projector should be able to show our faces. If not she should come clean anyway, The look on illunor's face alone will be worth the damage control.

A B

I have more something like this in mind. Thalmin: why no pitched battles. Emma: this is our aerial cavalry from 1000 years ago (queue rotary wing overview)…… now let me show you bombers and fighter bombers and CAS https://youtu.be/JNAxqc_Bk6M?feature=shared. Then for illuinor, toss in a CIWS for drake hunting ….. everything goes burrrr

Michael Halpern

it will probably be better to come clean at that point

Michael Halpern

it's not just the thrust that's necessary, with chemical propulsion, staging is also essential. yes it is theoretically possible to get an Earth SSTO on chemical propulsion but you have no payload margin and you have to do a lot of complicated stuff to get it to maybe work

SoylentPudding

If she gets called out, she should explain it using the "uncanny valley" phenomenon and that the shadow depiction is a theatric style for avoiding it.

Steve Desamos

yeah, probably. But they're a bit preoccupied right now, I think it's safe to say.

Michael Halpern

Thalmin learning about radar will be great... Nexian sky fleet will likely be extremely visible

Venidlara

I mean, for genuine mind fuckery, I can't wait for Emma to talk about arguably the more important invention/discovery, the Dynamo

The Walrus Transcendent

He'd have little applicable context for stealth tech, since to understand how important that is, you need to understand air defense and what role radar plays into it. If we're talking atmocraft, a supercruising jet dropping a guided bomb onto a moving target from, functionally, the next city over, would suit his framework better.

Michael Halpern

effectively outside of optical and auditory detection, all Earthrealm craft would likely be stealth for the purposes of the Nexus, and they might have optical stealth as well, from what we've seen, the Nexus's primary means of detection at range operates under the assumption of there being a manafield to detect.

tonright

i want to see ilunor lose it at a stealth fighter or something lmao

Michael Halpern

there are volcanos in the dragonlands and where the PE challenge was based off of, its probably a bunch of planets strung together via mega portals

Malcolm Morrison

Apparently the nexus is a flat plane that spreads out infinitely like a Minecraft world. That means no molten core and no volcanos. A few mud slides but we don’t know how deep the surface goes so there may not be enough pressure to create petroleum.

Willow Arkan

i mean she barely touched on 1's true horror, the chemical aspect, mortars aren't fun, but when what rains down on people is a cocktail of chemical hell, the explosions are probably going to look better in comparison. Frankly a detailed account of WW1 might just shatter the prince's overly romantic view of conflict. Not sure what WW2's behind the scene's stuff would elicit in a response, but I'd be shocked if at least one of them has to excuse themselves.

Canpinter

so one thing i noticed, llunor didn't have a term for oil, and that makes alot of sense if the nexus isn't a naturally occurring planet with millions of years of life on it.

John Vistica

As the overall topic is the application of mana-less thrust, at some point she should show a timeline chart of Thrust Capability. It would show what they have covered regarding ICE propulsion, the step change to jet engines, and then again for rocket engines so that the group can appreciate the orders of magnitude of thrust needed to escape the constraints of Earth's gravity. Maybe put a line on the chart for Emma's mothership's thrust capability for Ilunor's benefit ;) A really great chapter. The ICE engine as an unnatural fire breathing beast and aerial combat as drake-fighting really stood out. Edit: 'Until, of course, one of you does.' - should be 'them' rather than 'you'

Michael Halpern

That's what should really scare them, sure Earthrealm seems to be at or near parity with the Nexus, but when you factor in the rate of progress, time is on Earthrealm's side, not the Nexus.

Remi

Looks like Thalin learned that earthrealm MIC go brrr. Its not a question of if a technology will be weaponized, only when. I wonder if he has any idea of how long ago first flight was? To Emma, its a bit over a thousand years but given the slow developmental rates of magic based realms, they must be thinking its at least 3000.

Michael Halpern

Emma's showing enough detail that someone is going to call her out on the "limitations" regarding faces.

Michael Halpern

Jet engines are turbo pumps, (unless we are talking about a pulse or ram jet) the combustion powers the compressor and the fuel pump, if its a turbofan then it will also use some air directly as a component of thrust, Yes jet and rockets have a lot of equivalent combustion cycles, but they differ in more than just where the oxidizer comes from, besides Emma wasn't explaining it, that was just Thacea's interpretation of how it worked.

Remi

Yeah Thalmin's warfare specialty has definetly been an underused part of the story. He really should have a lot of questions about artillery and the 'first' world war.

Legijas

Ah, a couple of small details: Kitty hawk’s engine fired (let’s call the cylinders 1,2,3,4) in the 14,23,14,23 order, not 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4 order. Since other configurations cause excessive vibrations. Jet engines actually directly utilize the explosion for thrust just like rocket engines, and the blades provide no thrust. The blades are nothing more than a complicated pump for oxygen. And please take all the time you need to grieve. Everybody here can be as patient as they need to be.

Michael Halpern

Thalmin is thinking ahead, principles aren't enough to decide on whether or not to back someone in a conflict, not when the cost of losing can be so dire, he had to know if Earthrealm could stand a chance at actually winning in the long run

Michael Halpern

i suspect mages are capable of similar levels of destruction, the difference is, you can't just get a new mage from the factory and train commoners to use it, like you can a machine gun or artillery piece.

OrangeSpaceProgram

Thalmin has seen war. I don’t think he’s ready to comprehend the industrial murder that was the world wars. Even though he’s a mercenary he’s still someone who finds nobility in combat. There was no nobility in Verdun or Stalingrad, just unimaginable death. I’d love to see him and Emma talking about humanity’s history of warfare. Very good chapter.

Michael Halpern

sort of, at that point military and civilian rocketry was already diverging with civilian sticking with cryogenics and military going to hypergolics, it was really an industrial challenge and bootstrapped a number of industries in the process

Michael Halpern

I suspect it wouldn't take much for him to guess that they guns, just bigger. hell most WW1 artillery pieces (excluding the railroad guns) were relatively small compared to say a modern 155mm/L38 or L52.

Michael Halpern

ALCM is more likely

Rust

Amaaazzzzziiinnngggg Another fantastic chapter Thank you for committing to this story and have a great festive season!

John the Gamer

You can't perform orbital strikes when the realm doesn't have anything you can orbit.

UC-79

Thalmin's gonna have more questions about the artillery/human warfare in general. He knows the battlefield was from far in our past, and the "first global conflict" line will have him hooked. Especially when he sees our first "minor realm" and realizes the extent of our reach. All of the peer group perspectives are great so far. This is gonna be even better than the acela tour. Take the time you need to mourn, and try to have a merry Christmas.

John Vistica

I would like Emma to test that Nexian teleportation barrier with a mana-less sounding rocket. Unfortunately, Emma didn't tell us how high up the tapestry was. I've been kind of wondering if maybe the Nexus is located in the corona of a mana-source star with the tapestry acting like a shield powered by the surrounding mana. Nothing about it seems to imply that it is a typical planet.

Fienryra

I love the part about war, of course Thalmin was thinking about that side of it and hopefully we’ll see more in the future. It scratches that history itch in my brain and I hope to see at some point if we go more in depth with a scene straight out of the trenches of the Great War or WWII, very interested in how Emma will explain a simple concept like the gun being turned into a ship battery or that massive German train gun, also I love how we’re about to see the space race, very excited to see past the 21st century to when they start cracking planets and maybe even a warp drive? Heck yeah

Kirk Childers

SRBM certainly is though

Anders Mostue

The surprising thing is that we cannot replicate the engine used during Apollo missions, because the engine used is basically a continuous process of incremental improvement with constant changes until launch day.

Anders Mostue

Orbit is the ultimate high ground

Anders Mostue

Basically the theory and actuality of putting a man on the moon is if one could do that with precision, you could attack anyone on Earth using bombs

Skrzynek

Power of the atom is gonna be harder to avoid later, since at one point before FTL the UN used Orion Drives...

Michael Halpern

she's avoiding fision

Bbobsillypants

I appreciate Emma trying to breeze past the WW1 clip. She really dew be trying to dodge them war ape accusations.

Michael Halpern

that's definitely in the virtual garden at the end, as are a few distinctly Soviet designs (no one else paints orbital rockets green)

Michael Halpern

orbital strike not possible with Nexian teleportation barrier.

Nul Atlas

PLEASE BE THE SATURN V

Michael Halpern

Emma's going to make a small (lab scale) oil refinery isn't she?

Google Google

Rest in peace grandma.

Michael Halpern

yes but Earth is post scarcity, trade would be a far easier way to secure it

Google Google

Orbital strike anyone?

Michael Halpern

and their launch support towers

Bbobsillypants

Yeh depending on the stop or end point it would just be a wall of rockets with no end insight.

Bbobsillypants

Never know magic might become the new oil.

Michael Halpern

thankfully he did it early enough for her to gloss over the second major global conflict, though when that question comes up again with the large rockets, like R7 (Soyuz) UR-500 (Proton), Atlas, and Delta, among others, it will be hard to ignore the WMD in the room

Willow Arkan

She's going to make the kobold cry. This chapter gave me chills, in particular the section about military application. The apprehension combined with morbid curiosity from Thalmin.

Michael Halpern

the Nexus stands no chance in an air battle, they haven't developed a doctrine for an effective opposing force

Michael Halpern

neatly avoided the entirety of WW2, and a certain project that was done in Chicago named after an island in another state...

Michael Halpern

Dark Green and White is most likely Soyuz/R7, not many orbital rockets are painted green, if they can get away with not having paint, they will, though you can't do that with aluminum, only materials like stainless and carbon composites,

Wumpy

On another realm? How many does earthrealm encompass now? How many does the nexus? Some 243 adjacent realms. Oh, well, we are sprawled across 716. Take your time off, dear author, you more than deserve it. Can't wait for the continuation though.

Venidlara

Damnit, you really didn't show the German experimental rockets planes like the Messerschmitt Me-163?? Shame (joking) All jokes aside, I am loving this

architectural engineer

this chapter is absolute beauty. you must have loved your grandmother, as a wise man once said, "tragedy begets". she would have loved this

LolaAlphonse

Sorry for your loss. Such a beautiful tale. I wish all the best for you and yours

Michael Halpern

They are damn lucky Emma isn't 20th-21st century they just said they have crude oil.

Marshel Helsper

And my condolences as well. I'm sorry for your loss.

Marshel Helsper

This perspective hopping is perfect. Well executed.

Michael Halpern

a virtual rocket garden, with both a vertical Saturn V and a Shuttle stack, considering the "hundreds" Falcon 9 would be in there as well

Ultimatecalibur

Sorry for your loss, but good job on the full chapter. See you in January.

Bloop

damn man, you could have taken a few days break 🫂 sorry for your loss.

user1924

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