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Wearing Power Armor to a Magic School (114/?)

🕑 Added 2025-01-26 16:52:25 +0000 UTC

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Michael Halpern

Yes but there is a difference between transmutation of matter to matter and matter to energy, even if the only real difference is the fundamental understanding that they (matter and energy) are forms of the same thing. It is said that the only real secret of the atomic bomb was that it was possible. But that's because the underlying math was already known to the public- E=MC², imagine a world where that equation was kept secret or scrubbed from history, and one dominant power knew it and had nukes. this is essentially what the Nexus has done if i am right

Steve Desamos

no, that's why they had to do the weird stuff with the Nexian gold: Illunor said that common gold is worthless because nearly anyone can transmute

Michael Halpern

she gave a side show of the people who made it possible.

ANTIcarrot

The image of Jupiter, it's relative size to Earth, and it's status as a miscarried star is relevent. A spindly space probe isn't. We didn't get a side lecture about the people who built the Saturn V. We shouldn't get a side lecture about a camera onece used to photograph Jupiter.

Michael Halpern

Voyager probes got a good look at a hydrogen rich body that didn't quite get enough mass to begin gravitational confinement fusion. though Cassini got a closer look, the advantage of Voyager is that they got to explore several different types of planetary bodies

Michael Halpern

my theory is that govstation and the off earth population will prompt Thalmin to bring up resilience against mana WMD (one of the apocalyptic dragons of the Nexus) which would get Emma to discuss them, briefly

Michael Halpern

The Nexian assumption that other realms have a skybox like theirs is a clear and simple logical fallacy, because it is only reachable in the Nexus (using only magic). Even if other realms have teleport networks, they would have been put in place by the Nexus, as its clear they measure age of a realm by first contact. not by Big Bang or planetary formation.

Jacob

Thalmin and Illunor would both get very quiet after that but for very different reasons.

Jacob

Oh I fully agree, which is why I'm (unrealistically) imagining this with Thalmin and Thacea asking what the two are talking about and EVE helpfully answering them by playing a short clip of the Trinity test :-P

Google Google

That would actually make more sense.

Michael Halpern

it seems more likely that the transportarium network thing is entirely artificial, and/Nexus exclusive

Google Google

Is it possible that Earth realm Has a tapestry Or a barrier as just as we don't see it and our cameras don't pick up on it. And we just ripped it apart Without knowing.?

Michael Halpern

Kyle, it's more than that, after learning about guns, Thalmin was probably willing to accept that Earth could probably force concessions on the Nexus, especially with some help, but ultimately Earthrealm is a Peer threat to the Nexus itself, and the is fundamentally different

Michael Halpern

Emma wants to not focus on Nukes, but she has indirectly acknowledged them.

Michael Halpern

honestly I think that avenue of transmutation would be a very closely guarded secret for the Nexus, Sure the end result may be common knowledge, but in terms of mechanisms of control, that's more important to be kept as a "Nexus exclusive" thing than mass production.

Jacob

I'm waiting for Illunor to be all "oh yeah, well the Nexus knows how to break open the fundamental building blocks of matter and release the energy therein" only for Emma to reply with "Yeah, we figured that out after planes but before reaching orbit."

Jacob

That reminds me of the old physics joke asking if hell is endothermic or exothermic

Redshots

So God damn hype. Next one can't come soon enough!

Google Google

Only one way to find out, It's to be patient.

Michael Halpern

My theory is that the Nexus is really a portal "Nexus" of lots of planets, with a "skybox" hiding the obvious signs of what it is.

Google Google

I just thought of something today is the Nexus is expanding or shrinking despite Being A flat infinite Plainfield, Because Earth Realm is Constantly expanding. That energy has to go somewhere. Someone please Clarify.

Kyle Hall

It's also worth mentioning that most of Thalmin's struggles with what he is learning about Earthrealm stems from his militaristic mind. He is seeing the military applications of the technology and has to constatnly reevaluate what kind of threat Earthrealm is, practically speaking. He is wrestling with misconceptions that are getting cleared as times goes on, and the implications with each new revelation is both awe-inspiring and terrifying. To put this into perspective, imagine seeing someone and your first thought about them was "Seems weak," only to then slowly realize that the person in question is armed to the f***ing teeth and can punch you from across the room in a way you don't understand.

Kyle Hall

I remember, but it still implies that there is some level of magic aspect of gravity. That's all I am getting at.

Michael Halpern

the way i see it, The GUN will prioritize a hearts and minds campaign, They don't actually need to use WMDs, the inertia of far superior manufacturing capacity, lots of inventory and using mostly just robots on the front lines, would eventually enable them to win, they might use a couple against obvious staging areas to make a point, and to force Nexians to the table by providing a diplomat with an E=MC² deadman's switch, but in general the use would be limited

Michael Halpern

true, though considering geographic coverage iirc a lot of ICBMs "only" have a 30min max ballistic arc, leaving about a third of the planet uncovered by a given site, but that's generally enough to reach the capitals of any adversary. especially if you have a wide enough territory, like the US, Russia and China all do.

Anton

I'm aware, but I'm more going off what Thalmin could calculate with the data given than real world time with modern ICBMs

Michael Halpern

when they learn what the sun is, they may start to get the idea.

SoylentPudding

This is exactly the plot arc I want to see. I want Thalmin to yearn for using the UN as a tool to free his realm from the Nexus, while also be terrified that beneath the facade, the UN is just as brutal as the Nexus, if not worse. To me, Emma winning him over through the sheer power of her own character and honor would be a bigger humanity fuck yeah moment than "haha relativistic kill vehicles go brrrr into the crownlands"

Michael Halpern

Ilunor would probably need to get the run down on evolution and our fossil records, before the reveal as not to invalidate everything

ANTIcarrot

Except the topic is 'what are stars' and 'what do you mean by visiting them'. The voyager probes don't add anything to that. They don't help Emma explain or prove anything.

Michael Halpern

he is, but not to the same extent Ilunor was, fundamentally, the Nexian story and his cultural beliefs are taken on faith, and he already understands that faith and fact can be different. the Moon can still symbolize the same thing while also being a physical place, the only "truth" that is invalidated is the Nexian one

tom

I want some passages about the autonomous Mars rovers, and especially their landing methods: the bouncing ball and the rocket powered sky-crane.

Marshel Helsper

I wonder if that would help Illunor cope. He's already grasping at the idea that Earthrealm is a dead realm, so things are different. If he then finds that Humans are Elf-ish maybe that connects it enough for him. Nexus propaganda has Elves as the perfect beings/form.

Michael Halpern

~45min is the actual ballistic travel time to the other side of the world

Anton

Nitpick on Thalmin's point, but its not 108 minutes to hit any target. If it takes 108 minutes to complete a full orbit, it takes *at most* 54 minutes to hit any target on earth, since the farthest point from launch is *halfway* around the globe. Completing a full orbit just brings you back to your launch point.

Singularity

I was lucky enough to meet Collins a couple years before his passing. He was the headline speaker at a scholarship dinner I attended - there with Armstrong's children to present an award in Armstrong's name. They recalled his love of math: Collins telling of an incident when Armstrong was absent for rollcall one day, only to be found giving an algebra lesson in the canteen; one of Armstrong's sons sharing the moment as a kid when his father made a Mobius strip from some paper while joyfully explaining its topological properties. They were in tears when handed the award for its presentation; it was in the shape of a Mobius strip. Though my conversation with him was brief, it was clear that Collins was a good man, and that he missed his old friend a great deal. People sometimes forget about Collins. Thank you for remembering him.

Michael Halpern

high pressure water is dangerous, you can't patch a sub while submerged, the best you can do is seal the affected area, the water jet will cut steel. and that's merely at U-Boat depths, not bottom of the ocean

Jacob

I'm glad Emma at least indirectly acknowledged but did not elaborate on Apollo I. That would probably have been gruesome to explain

Jacob

Depends on if Emma acknowledges nukes or not I think

Google Google

I guess in conclusion we all want a good story.

Google Google

I never thought of that... thank you

A B

The alternate proposal was to nuke the moon….. turns out the finesse of landing and recovering a person sends a stronger message

Brandon N.

I wanna see their reaction once Emma brings up extracting resources from Psyche 16 and demonstrates the sheer volume of metals we could extract from it. "This asteroid alone could guild the earth in solid gold by a couple of feet"

ColonelCodfish

That's my point though, it's not just scenes like this! If the long bouts of exposition were relegated purely to these important cultural exchanges and revelations then I wouldn't be complaining at all. I'm actually more in Google's camp, I'm excited to see the reaction of someone who doesn't know what a rocket is, but it's not just these chapters. Everything takes way too long to get through. Remember when we spent an entire chapter walking around a gift shop? The only tangible purpose that sequence had was seemingly to be a ridiculously long setup to finding the kobold plushy. There were no grand revelations, no tie-ins to previous story sub-plots, nothing was revealed aside from the fact that apparently magic mirrors are prime real-estate for ads. An entire chapter was dedicated to a throwaway joke. That's just one example, but it was one of the worst ones. The entire story is riddled with useless fluff like this.

Michael Halpern

Emma already alluded to E=MC² multiple times. She wants to discuss the other aspects for diplomatic reasons, "I can drop the sun on you" isn't exactly a good early impression, being asked first and being told "we really don't like using these things but we have them" is a bit different

Michael Halpern

because combustion is hardly exclusive to Dragons, he's probably more disturbed by Emma proving certain universal assumptions wrong, and the implications of that.

Michael Halpern

no he won't be a pacifist, he's going to request military aid.

Spintool

All human advancement comes from conflict and competition, it’s safe to assume the same for most other sentient life. The idea of pushing the boundaries this hard, advancing this fast and going to another realm for the sole purpose of exploration is ridiculous. That’s not why we went to space or advanced flight, we did those things out of conflict

Google Google

Wolf boy is gonna become a pacifist .

Brendan

Honestly reading this I hope the theme of thalmin catching on to how Emma is glossing how much both the motivation and purpose for all these advancements were for warfare (whether she's doing so on purpose, for diplomatic reasons, or because that's how she views it) continues. He's kinda figured out that she's not mentioning a lot of things whereas thacea (to me) seems too caught up in amazement and ilunor in disbelief, and I'm kinda wondering if he's gonna drop the ball at some point or keep it to himself because frankly at least from an adjacent or nexian perspective I can imagine it'd make Emma and her motives feel a lot more suspicious.

Alexander Leith

I'm kinda wondering if anyone from the gang (Thalmin, Thesea, or Illunor) will ask Emma "How much time has passed since these flights and launches". Wondering how they'd all react to Emma saying about 1000 years, or even if Emma would let them all know.

Google Google

I would expect For the discount cobalt to be screaming right now That His sacred gift amongst all dragons is being used for rockets, How is he not disturbed by that. If I was a dragon I would be Angered disturbed disgusted and jealous at the fact that Humans able to control fire An Explosives Explosives.

Hughes Andrew

Remember the Nexus has fake physics. It is a flat plane, continuously growing as new material is added to the edges. If you go up far enough you reach a fake sky (aether), and there is presumably some similar barrier if you go down too. The nexus is a pocket dimension and its gravity can be set to any value and I’d accept it.

Michael Halpern

they dont even have to destroy it, just open an air lock, and all the bulkheads, that way they can pump it out later, after using drones to fight them off in the facility, it will take them a while to open a portal in open air, likely a few lives too, and when they do, the mana detectors will pinpoint the opening, and there will be a response.

Google Google

I can't wait for the big reveal! :D

Michael Halpern

“Not at all, Ilunor.” The suited figure admitted. “If anything, close calls were more common than clean missions. And more than that, I’d be remiss if I didn’t acknowledge the lives lost over the attempts at our attempts to race for the stars.” attempts twice

Michael Dale Vereen

He's busy repressing his instinct to howl

Google Google

And one more thing it was fun and educational I was actually excited, on learning new things, And seeing through the perspective of a person who never saw Electricity or gas, Is plasma ,nuclear Power, And the rest.

Google Google

Thank you for explaining I'm not good at words but thank you so much. Marsy

Michael Halpern

not yet

Steve Desamos

Wait, if she’s showing JFK’s “we choose to go to the moon” speech, does that mean she’s doing the face reveal EVI warned against?

SoylentPudding

ROCK AND STONE!

Marsy

I'm more interested in the exposition than the plot. There's definitely room to debate how exactly those chapters should be paced but for me the appeal of this story was always the 'systems conflict' aspect rather than strictly what happens in a drama sense. If we get stuck with lots of cultural exchange type chapters that do not consequently result in things happening on the action side of things then sure I might agree with you, but I don't think we're seeing that here, just a slower section of the story. The action prompts revelations and the revelations prompt action, with more emphasis on the revelations (i.e. character psychology, philosophy and theorycrafting) That's been the foundational rhythm for this story thus far, and I'm glad the format allows for all of that to breathe. Don't get me wrong, I think there's been some slow sections that would benefit from maybe a revisit but I'd rather have too much than too little. If it feels slow just unsub and come back when it picks up again in your view.

Google Google

My friend have some patience.. No one's forcing you to pay it up. I was expecting to be Many chapters long on these moments Of explanations And history of Earth.

Google Google

All the humans have to do.... Detonate The building and the very bottom of the Ocean . So what that means Most of the portals that we try to open up will be at the very bottom of the Atlantic take ocean.. That's one way to Defeat your enemy.

Brachy LP

Obligatory ROCK AND STONE! FOR KARL! Salute Goes here.

Chris Cain

From the internal thoughts of each character here, it feels like *Thalmin* is closer to hitting a fundamental systemic incongruency than anyone else, as it pushes against his culture's significant importance on the spiritual aspects of the moon.

Hughes Andrew

Still distorted. They don’t know we’re discount elves.

Michael Halpern

If/when the nexus decides to go to war with Earth, Earth itself will probably be evacuated, including seeder samples of various wildlife and some zoos, after that, it will be pumping out the mana resistant power armor and figuring out how to get ships to adjacent realms, most of the fighting will be via armies of S-AMCPs lead by power armor pilots, its very likely both Earth rings are armed being part of the KKW defense system, it probably wouldn't take much to point some of said defense system at ground targets.. Also the portal facility is on the Atlantic sea bed. so if they try to open one near there.....

Kyle Hall

The reason why I mentioned the gravity was Emma isn't really reacting to the Nexus's gravity as if it is any different from Earth, and she isn't always in her armor. So since Earth is smaller than the Nexus, logically that means that the gravity is more intense, but it isn't treated that way. We know they can control gravity/leypull artificially, but humans can't. I don't think the group would be particularly astonished by gravity being different, but rather that the understanding of gravity (within the context of the story) would be different. The question becomes "Does naturally occuring magic change gravity? If so, in what way?"

Michael Halpern

..... I don't know what to say to that...

D2FU

So have they all seen what a human looks like or do they still see distorted figures?

Google Google

So if the Nexus were to decide to flood the Earth with Mana, Majority the humans have to do an orbital strike and to rebuild Earth All the humans have to do is an orbital strike and to rebuild Earth. And maybe manipulating the portal to be located next to a black hole. If they decide to do a war. Sorry for my Poor grammar.

Michael Halpern

they were just told about staging

Legijas

I really don’t think you need context for a ‘giant fucking fire ball that engulfed the entire capsule and looks like it’s actively trying to kill the occupant’

Jacob

It might be surprising but beneficial that the Nexus in fact doesn't know about the speed of light being finite. Especially since it can be demonstrated for The Library at small scale given a sufficiently long enough hallway. I've actually done that experiment in high school :-)

Jacob

I was about to bring up the whole gravity versus realm-size thing too

Jacob

Or perhaps volume

Marshel Helsper

I think you aim to be both first and last commenter. :p

ColonelCodfish

When I say that I mean I'm hoping the author isn't intentionally dragging out the story for the sake of milking as much money from his audience as he can. I liked this story enough that I wanted to support it, but it's feeling increasingly difficult to justify my decision when chapter after chapter just seems to stretch events into their own dozen-chapter sagas when they could've easily been resolved in two or three. Everything else about this story- the worldbuilding, the character work, the narrative- is amazing. It's this one issue of pacing that's dragging it down and I'd hate to think it's only because the author wants to make a few more dollars.

Michael Halpern

exactly, she was fishing for "does the Nexus have WMD"

Marshel Helsper

What I found interesting is that Thecea doesn't bring that up in her musings, so it may be that dealing with all other "sky-shattering" things left that out.

giann flroesca

I'm not so sure, I mean maybe but at the same time a race of avians and dragon riders should know and even feel those differences to an extent when flying + the fact that even the adjacent realms seem to have a decent grasp of the nature of gravity, or leypull in their words, and how it works. The light thing on the other hand?? Now that would be exciting as hell. To me though, I'M EXCITED to see thalmin ask for military applications and emma finally being like FINE here are some bombs and nukes biatch. Prob won't though bec. diplomatic mission but a man can dream

Marshel Helsper

I reread the chapter. Emma is asking a hypothetical to get clarity on "Category" rules for trading info with the library. She's basically checking if she can trade the Harry Potter series (or any other cultural items) for info about a Mana-based City Destroyer. She does it twice, checking if the amount of info matters.

soobs266

I remember reading on the lore doc or discord that earth had a population of around 30 billion, and there's over 250 billion humans

Kyle Hall

I'm wondering if the topic of grtavity will be brought up again by Thacea, realizing that the astronauts are practically jumping with each step and that it may not be a purely magical occurance (or rather that with magic you can actually adjust it). Because if Earth is 'puny' compared to the Nexus in terms of size, then that means the gravity (by our understanding) would be radically higher. Another thing I am wondering is if the topic of lightyears will be brought up, and by consequence revealing that we KNOW how fast light travels. To further illustrate the vast distance between Earth and the nearest hospitable planet and how much of an undertakking that would be, light actually would take a while to reach it. (Hell I wonder if, since FTL exists in Emma's world, do we have paleotologists who travel far out into the stars just to observe Earth's ancient history)

Max Kreuzer

Gagarin later recalled, "When they saw me in my spacesuit and the parachute dragging alongside as I walked, they started to back away in fear. I told them, 'Don't be afraid, I am a Soviet like you, who has descended from space and I must find a telephone to call Moscow!'" okay ðat is fuckiŋ metal

LumiOak

I mean later when they get to.. Idk hardlight prototypes

karol4775

Considering how much of freakout distance to the moon is, I am really looking forward to them learning some new terminology for interplanetary and interstellar distances.

Michael Halpern

uhm the Voyager probes. regardless she really should talk about the "missing the ground bit, and the solar system itself

Michael Halpern

what page?

ANTIcarrot

Potential correction: “A thousand and eighty miles, give or take. About a third the size of our planet, for scale.” That's the radius of the moon. The diameter is 3475km / 2160 miles. Given Thassia is asking about size, diameter may be the more useful number.

ANTIcarrot

Assuming we don't get a chapter on spacestations (or the space shuttle) we have pretty much exhausted real world human exploration. Presumably now things might progress at a slightly faster pace. Maybe brief mentions of a return to Luna in 2030s, Mars in 2040s, nuclear engines of some sort, and then FTL some time later.

Kirk Childers

Even if it isn't classified, there is still information best left controlled on a need-to-know basis depending on circumstances. For example, why you don't want gallium near planes or road flares near transmissions.

ANTIcarrot

They saw magic nukes (effectively) in history class. Pretty sure Thalmin at least will start to wonder about non magical equivalents. Especially if the topic of 'what are suns and how do they work?' comes up. Which may be the reason for the Nexus (seemingly) suppressing astronomy. After all, if you figure out how stars work, you're eventually going to figure out how to weaponise the process. I'm guessing the Nexus wants a complete monopoly on that knowledge.

Ragnar Pendon

My guy... have you EXPERIENCED the first 50 chapters when they were new?

Mr.Jaxon

How is this a cash grab? You can just wait an extra week to view the same content for free. MF you are paying for early access.

ariel maoz

What do you mean? I really think those exposition are some of the best chapters to date and the build up will just be even better

Xylophone Smith

the nexus is obviously as big as it is because of magic making it seem bigger and likely stealing some from other realms that they destroyed

SoylentPudding

Emma keeps mentioning the years and I'm waiting for one of them to ask what her current year is.

Gawain Dragon

I was waiting for the revelation that the moonlandings were fake and then fast forwarding to a starship landing 🤣

Michael Halpern

gang lacked the context, but the disasters she showed after got the gist.

ColonelCodfish

Well I guess I'm trying to give some benefit of the doubt that this is just a pacing problem and not a blatant cash grab. Hoping that he actually does have some respect for his audience.

Legijas

A bit of a critique but the reentry and landing seem really glossed over (especially considering that the service module failed to properly separate). Considering how violent a reentry is and that Gagarin needed to eject before touchdown, to avoid serious injury (or death), I really think the gang would have at least made a comment. Here’s the series of events during the flight, with timestamps: https://www.esa.int/About_Us/ESA_history/50_years_of_humans_in_space/The_flight_of_Vostok_1

Ariel Huerta

"Why do you want to climb Mt. Everest? Because it's there." George Mallory when asked why he wanted to climb Mt. Everest. I think this would have been a good response from Emma to Ilunor.

Michael Halpern

reread ch49 she dropped a hint

Fogel

Without being told about it, there's no way someone could even imagine the scope of a nuclear bomb.

Fogel

IIRC the majority of humanity still lives on Earth.

Fogel

This is all well over a thousand years old to Emma. This isn't even classified today, let alone in Emma's time

Remi

Clothing and feet should give it away

Michael Halpern

She already has used "do mana nukes exist" as a rhetorical. more likely while it's mostly at her discretion, there are certain things she is advised not to discuss directly unless certain conditions are met

Michael Halpern

outside

Michael Halpern

Remember that rhetorical example Emma used when working out the Library rules in chapter 49?

Casualscifienjoyer

Author makes nearly 6k a month they aren’t going to be letting this story go anytime soon.

LumiOak

I'm kinda waiting for the shoe to drop that, at some point things become classified, and they can freakiut a bit about, her government hasn't cared at all about anything upto whatever point she can't share more info about.

architectural engineer

great work as always

Google Google

Quick question are there more humans outside of Earth or still on the Earth.?

Marshel Helsper

lol "Oh yeah, this all happened, like, a thousand years ago."

ColonelCodfish

Holy shit are we actually going to be reaching a conclusion here or are we gonna be slogging through exposition for the next half dozen chapters?

Ciberj1

Remember Emma is also a diplomat here. She's putting the best side of the coin, plus cold war would require explaining mutually assured destruction and that would require explaining nukes...

Conviviacr

Oh sweet Little Lord Rulia.... These are the first steps... She has given them a scope for human advancement. Now she needs to tell them how far back that is from contemporary times.

Jcb112

Yup! :D

Pierre laplant

Is she still showing humans as silhouettes?

Michael Halpern

Thalmin. you sweet summer child, you aren't thinking anywhere near destructive enough

Michael Halpern

body posture

windoverwaves

Well, I'd assume the shape is still there, so they could see where the head is pointing

Michael Halpern

Well that and to focus the competitive inclinations of the two superpowers at the time to something that didn't involve blowing each other up,

ArdenW

Yes! Yes! The Kennedy address!

just_some_guy.

> To our left was the compound, and the humans who now looked onwards towards the skies. Does this make sense when human features are blurred and unrecognizable?

Michael Halpern

and later because resource

Surreal Nightmares

I thought the moon was made out of cheese 🤔

Ragnar Pendon

Ah yes.. the because we want to narrative XD

TheArchivist

That [a] is doing some HEAVY lifting, nice job including it! One of the best fun facts to know about that phrase

Michael Halpern

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