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Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!

🕑 Added 2023-02-10 19:36:28 +0000 UTC
Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!
Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!
Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!
Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!
Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!
Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!
Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!
Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!
Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!
Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!
Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!
Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!
Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!
Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!
Build it yourself laminar flow hood for less than $100! The mycology community will LOVE this!

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GordoTEK

People have told me the laminar flow box was a "game changer" for them, you will love it, I've gotten overwhelmingly positive feedback, it really works and works well.

GordoTEK

Paper holders from office supply stores or amazon: https://amzn.to/3BhK6g9 (maybe find something similar at thrift stores or garage sales). Some cooling racks also work: https://amzn.to/3ZtekVk

GordoTEK

Sounds like you have a loose wire maybe? When you put the fan in the box maybe you are bending the power cord? You can probably fix it if you can solder, or return that fan for a new one. I have never heard of anyone else report this problem by the way.

Tiffany Logan

I just made one the same size with plywood and the fan refuses to blow in the box. Box is no bigger than this tote and works when outside the box. 😭

Gary

And where do you get these lovely little baskets that go in front of the filter?

Gary

I managed to get one quart jar of Pan Cyan to propagate using rye. Every other one just went nowhere or had contam. Hoping the laminar flow hood helps with this. It's going to change a number of aspects of the way I do things. Since so little grain spawn was produced, I will make a half batch using smaller totes. Still a few things to get from the hardware store and waiting on some deliveries from Amazon including the fan.

Gary

Okay, I'm going to give this a go. Converting one of my old monotubs into this. Just having the fan open with no filter is bugging me. Just going to suck everything into the back of my lovely laminar filter. Since I've got these nice carbon filters that came with it, I'll cut one down and put it across the air intake to block stuff from coming in. Yes this might inhibit airflow a bit but the fan has plenty of reserve suck power (like Linda but that's another story) so all should be okay, yes? I'd love to hear from anyone who tried this. Thank you.

Gary

I looked at your mods. You do good work. Thanks for sharing that.

Jca

No question the current tek is effective, as noted in the many examples that pop up on Reddit, YouTube, etc. I would build it out just for agar work it’s perfect. Small, portable, easy to manage. Raising it to work with 14T bags and quart jars is also workable. Where a bigger face would be most helpful is splitting 3# spawn bags into multiple 5# substrate blocks for gourmet cultivation. I looked at the 24X24 Vevor filter and if it were just the extra $100 it would make economic sense to upgrade. But the build out would need a custom cabinet 3 feet deep to house the filter and air box, and 3 feet tall to mount a much larger fan. The fan itself would need to push 400cfm against 1.2 inch static pressure. Thats in range of a 550cfm sealed squirrel cage fan and prefilter. Thats a lot of craftsmanship, time, and $400+, for a device that’s too big to move and will dominate any lab space we’re likely to have in our homes. I may still go down this route, but probably not until my process gets to the spawn bag and G2G level. That’s still a ways off on my journey, but it’s always nice to dream of what could be. Thanks Gordo for the great feedback and inspiration to learn new skills and experiment with the process. Cheers!

GordoTEK

Congrats, I know you will love it.

GordoTEK

Yes, there are a couple of options for larger HEPA filters that may still work with the recommended fan, such as this one: https://amzn.to/4a0N7xl There is also a much bigger one: https://amzn.to/3PP5JIX but I'm not sure if the recommended fan will work with that one. But the truth is, you can do everything that is important with the recommended filter from the TEK, you can elevate the flow box for working with mycobags so the top of the bag is in the center of the laminar flow. Doing agar work, making grain spawn, and doing grain transfers is really all you need to do with laminar flow and you can easily do them all with a small laminar flow box. I would not describe this design as "pseudo-laminar" but it doesn't have to be perfect. There is actually a point in the video where I inadvertently create a stream of smoke after induction heat sterilizing my scalpel and for a brief moment you can see the laminar flow kind of like a wind tunnel with a stream of smoke. The design does indeed provide legit laminar flow.

Curmudgeon76

Jca - I only just now saw this question. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B5B3B1DH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I see Gordo has added this item to the addendums to the flow hood TEK. If you pull up the TEK and scroll down to see what's been added, you can use his amazon link, thus possibly benefitting him (he's an Amazon associate).

Jca

What filter did you get? I’d like to take a look at it. Thanks 🙏

Curmudgeon76

I have found a 12"x24" H13 filter that is essentially a larger version of the filter Gordo used in his build. While the top to bottom laminar flow zone will be even smaller than Gordo's, the side to side will be much wider. I should be able to use the same fan. I'm debating using a carbon pre-filter at fan intake, or possibly an H13 pre-filter. I'm using the 106 qt Sterilite tub for this. Agar to grain in myco bags should work by laying the bag on it's side with the bag opening in the laminar flow. That is my hope.

Curmudgeon76

I agree that 18"x24" would be optimal for operating in a level of comfort, especially for agar to grain situations. I have had zero luck finding an H13 level filter in this size. The 18"x24" filters I am finding are thicker, around 2-2.5 inches, and will require a better fan.

Dan

Finished my Flow hood tonight. I got everything from Gordos links. I’m stoked!!!

Jca

Spent quite a few hours researching components, published literature, issues, concerns, problems, and conventional wisdom. Here is what I learned. This build produces a relatively small sterile field. Net of frame, the filter is roughly 12x10”. You’ll probably want to stay 2” away from the filter edges to avoid entrainment of contams from eddies forming on the flow boundary. All in, the sterile field likely starts 2” above the bench and is shaped like a squashed quarter-sphere 8” wide and 6” tall. This corresponds neatly with the Gordo’s particle count at 7” from the filter face dead center. Being an older noob, working under pressure, excitement, fear, there’s not much room for error. I’ve literally watched bench techs live, prepping assays in flow hoods, they never miss a beat. Pipette to plate, plate to stack, new plate, etc. Thats not me 😀 I need more room to fumble around. Probably I’d be OK spores to agar, and agar to agar. But put a quart grain jar or two in this small area and I’m done. Forget about a 13” tray for S2B. For those who have had success with this build beyond the agar stage, recall the bench techs above - deliberate, direct, not fast, not slow. My take away is that technique (mostly) trumps technology. For those of us learning technique, I feel like a larger build would be helpful, like 3x. I’m shooting for a net filter face of 18x24”. Besides finding a true HEPA with these dimensions (still looking), the fan spec is critical. Doing the math, I’ll need 300 cfm measured at the filter face to get 100 ft/min flow, the benchmark as I understand it. Static pressure of a HEPA and MERV 14 pre-filter is approx 1.2 inches H2O total. I have not been able to find a pressure curve for the Axial S8, but the mfg spec sheet states it is not appropriate for static pressure applications. They recommend moving to the significant more expensive closed blade model. Again, for those of you having success with the S8 on a side-by-side double filter build, I’ll say it again. Technique trumps technology. And then there is the old laminar vs turbulent flow topic. I know this is a long post, and I’m sorry to add to it, but I feel strongly that the conventional wisdom on laminar flow is misleading at best. Consider wind tunnel technology, where laminar flow is must-have, operating at extraordinary flow rates. These devices are linear, dimensions increase/decrease at specific points, have diffuser panels, and baffles. All designed to break up big, turbulent eddies into progressively smaller ones that dissipate before the laminar test chamber. That’s not what’s happening on the face of our HEPA filter. Instead turbulent eddies form at the pleats, where flow is substantially different between each convex pleat and its neighboring concave pleat. These eddies get bigger as they move away from the filter face, eventually turbulent flow becomes Reynolds dominant. Pleat eddies grow more quickly at the filter edges, where they interact with adjoining static air, and greater delta-v. This is where the larger eddies entrain contams, interact with smaller eddies further from the boundary, eventually entraining contams all the way into the center of the sterile field, albeit at some distance from the filter face (7”?). All of which is to say that our flow hoods are pseudo-laminar, which provides a shaped, sterile field sufficient to do our work. The design issue is not turbulence, it’s entrainment at distance from the filter face. So work close to the filter face, wear a mask 😷 and (I think) get a bigger filter.

Organizer

Hi Gordo, really great instructions. I've just finished my build (couldn't find your fan in Europe and mine is now complete overkill, but otherwise quite similar to yours). I rented a particle counter for a day to test it. The results are good. In the very center of the safe zone I even get 0.5μm counts to zero but I'm not always getting 0 at 1μm in some of the outer ranges of what I would like to call the safe zone (e.g. 5cm from the side edge). You stated the size ranges of a few things we want to avoid and they all started at 3μm so why would having 0 counts of 2μm particles not be good enough? Of course having 1μm at 0 would really give a high validity, I understand statistics, but couldn't we be happy with 0 cumulative counts per 60 seconds for 2μm particles?

GordoTEK

Yes it could be mounted on the top, just didn't seem very convenient to do it that way to me.

coloradoyeti

Hey Gordo. Are there any advantages to mounting the fan on the inside back corner vs outside on top? I have a backup variable speed 6" 408cfm inline fan that's a bit longer than the one in your video, so just curious. I like that compact design of having it on the inside!

Jim

Hi we have messaged a couple of times. Quick question. I have some cubensis trays just starting to pin and I need to go out of town for a couple of weeks. Could I just pop them in the fridge till I get home

Corndodger

While I'm up and writing, Gordo, are any of the great artworks you've shown available to us art appreciators?

Corndodger

I have the 2-pack Amazon filter set, which has a "black" filter and a Pleated Paper one you can see through. Question, which filter goes towards the outside of the hood - the pleated paper one you can see through, and looks like side facing out in the video, or the "black" filter? Or does it make a difference? Would appreciate a quick response, this is the last step to getting my hood up and running! - the Corndodger

Corndodger

I've just purchase the "2 filter" option from Amazon - it comes with 2 filters per filter, one a "black" one, the other with a pleated paper-like side, with a white fiber-like other side. You can see through the paper-like filter.

GordoTEK

I think I just found that at a thrift store, but you can find them at staples or on amazon, paper holder rack. Wire cooling racks might work too but you might have to put something under it to make it a little taller.

GordoTEK

Yea I believe it will work.

Steve Smith

Your techs have helped folks...Thanks

Jay

Thanks again Gordo. You make everything so simple. Just like life should be.

John Condron

I am thinking of using a larger tote and using two filters, one set horizontally, the other vertically, giving me two work areas, one slightly taller than the other. Do you think that would work?

John Condron

The originally recommended filters are available on Amazon right now, and they link to the second-choice fan (I just ordered both).

lagos tout

Hi, Gordo. What's the rack you use as a working surface in the video? Thanks!

Aditya pai

The fan seems a bit expensive here in the UK. Is just the inline fan that work or anything the produces about 200- 400 CFM? I've found multiple exhaust fans that give that kinda air flow and are much cheaper, they are just not the inline type.

GordoTEK

People who have tried this say the recommended fan is capable of driving both filters no problem.

ifeelcrumbs

I'm not sure where I saw it, but someone reported doing just that, and the fan used in the video was plenty with two filters, apparently.

JustiNourse

If I was to do two filters side by side, would I need a need a bigger fan?

David Earney

In the Amazon Frequently Bought Together recommendations, all of the items on your list are highlighted.

GordoTEK

Nice work!

GordoTEK

Nice to have another option.

JSquared

Building my own box as we speak! I'm being super cheap though and cutting everything with a $6 soldering iron from harbor freight 😜 (ventilation required!) I have a fume venting system for my soldering on other projects. So excited for everything to be done! EDIT: Built up the box and used it the very next morning. Inoculated two grain bags and scraped spores, from a print ;), onto agar. All three agar plates have mycelial growth with zero signs of contamination! For the price and ease of putting this together, it is so good! Thank you to "Rob" for the inspiration and Gordo for bringing it to our attention!

Dave Casey

This technique for cutting sterilite worked for the straight cuts. (I just used the drill for the round hole.) https://youtu.be/AbWUZYwYFN8

GordoTEK

Yes, the same fan can accommodate many different sizes of filters or 2 filters (I am guessing haven't actually tried the 2 filter configuration).

GordoTEK

Yes I did the flame test, will show extended version of flame test (even for tuning the fan speed) in the video. But no, I would not say the flame test alone is going to tell you if the filter is allowing particles through or not sadly, the only real way to know that is with a particle counter. If you can trust the manufacturer, or if someone else has done particle testing on the specific model, you are probably good to go. You could always try a random filter and just use it for agar work to see if it works or not too, but its a lot of work to go through for an uncertain result.

GordoTEK

Glad to see confirmation. Yea several people have already sent me pictures of their finished flow hoods.

GordoTEK

Yes absolutely, there will be a line down the middle between the filters though and you would probably want to avoid working in that area, basically you'd treat it like two separate work areas.

Humberto jimenez

Also do u use the same fam and just turn it up?

Humberto jimenez

Cool thanks for the confirmation? So did u do the flame test to test the laminar flow? I’m new to laminar flow but am I correct in assuming as long as the flame test is good then I have no reason to worry about contamination?

Scottman

I just did this and it worked 100 percent

Humberto jimenez

Could you find a bigger tub and put the two filters side by side for a bigger work area?

OldBrownWookiee

I’m gonna DM you Tep.

GordoTEK

Follow up: I measured this, and it seems the air becomes turbulent again at about 7.5 inches away from the filter. No particles getting through at 7 inches from the filter, so that is your working distance with this unit. I have done agar plates, agar to grain jar, and grain jar to substrate inoculations all in front of this flow hood with 100% success rate. Note: turning the flow all the way up to max actually causes turbulent air too, so this was a good experiment to do, and shows how important it is to have a variable speed fan. At max output, you will not have laminar flow at any distance from the filter really. Thankfully, you don't need an expensive particle counter to figure this out, you can do it all with a lighter and a flame test, you can actually observe when/where the laminar flow breaks down very clearly in the "shaking" of the flame.

GordoTEK

Yes that is also what I'm thinking, they are so remarkably similar it's very high likelihood they came from the same exact factory.

Jeesh

Appreciate it.

Jeesh

Thanks Gordo. I figure most should come from the same factory just wholesaled to different sellers, but I wasnt sure if you had any experience with any other filters

GordoTEK

I was afraid that might happen, looks like you guys bought out all of the inventory on the HEPA filter I linked BUT looking around I think the following all look identical and have great reviews, and one is sold as single pack instead of 2-pack so it's cheaper for the person that only wants one filter: https://amzn.to/3Z3rMNU (single) https://amzn.to/3IAhZcV (double) https://amzn.to/3xwv9kQ (double). Sadly I haven't tested these so can't guarantee it but just based on the pictures, reviews, and descriptions I bet they are identical and if I do more builds I will test these others.

Jeesh

Are there other HEPA filters that can work for this TEK? It appears the filters linked are sold out.

GordoTEK

Good questions, in the video I will show moving the particle counter all over the place, I will get back to you on the exact distance where the flow becomes turbulent and compare this distance at different fan speeds. I actually didn't do that in the original footage (but should have). At max the S8 fan is rated 428cfm, but I have no idea what cfm is actually coming out of the filter, it would be interesting to try to measure it but I'd have to research the best way to do that.

Tepezcohuite

Thanks for posting. The tek looks interesting. I have a few questions. 1. The particle meter looks very close to the filter. Do you have readings of particles at a working distance from the filter where one would be working with agar etc. 2. Would you mind showing the data vis-a-vis the CFM of the fan and the static pressure of the filter? Also can you show the CFM from working distance?

Michael

You’re the JAY Z of mycology. Man is innovative giving this culture what it needs. Thanks 🙏

Pierre Robert

This is great. Been scared to try agar until I saw this.

Old Bear

For anyone questioning the utility of a flow hood, I picked up a used EdgeGARD for $270 & it revolutionized my lab — I can cool freshly poured agar in Petri dishes to room temp with the lids off w/o contam. If my hood ever gives up the ghost, I’m making one of these.

Oakley

Hey this is awesome

GordoTEK

Yea, I HAD to know if these filters and fans were really adaquate and the Met One is really the only way to easily tell. It would take weeks to just do agar plate tests and even then it wouldn't be completely reliable.

Awaken Brain

Thank you for going to the trouble and expense of getting a Met One laser particle counter to test the filters. It satisfies my inner nerd. I appreciate the thought and effort you put into making a quality DIY that you are showing us works. looking forward to constructing my own.

GordoTEK

NO MERV rated filter is adequate for mycology use. Here is a good table that explains it: https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/what-merv-rating You need 100% capture of all particles over 1 micron in size. Now that said I know there are people using these MERV rated filters for mycology, they are definitely better than nothing and capturing 95% may work especially if you are working in a small clean room. But still I would not recommend it, get a true HEPA filter, the one I found is only $36 for a two pack so you really can't beat that.

Vecces

If Gordo was able to leave agar in forced air for 5 mins w no contam... then I'm going to give it a shot. Tired of anxiety inducing sab for old-man hands, eyes. A lot more relaxed. Hope people report on experience and successes.

GordoTEK

It's true that fruiting is not in a sterile environment but most mushrooms are like an inverted cup and the spores are slightly protected from falling dust in the air, if your growing environment had no obvious contamination and you harvest in front of a flow hood and put the caps on foil in front of a flow hood and then cover them, most of the time they are super clean and won't show contamination even on the very first plate. But yea if it dies, not a big deal to do an agar to agar transfer to clean it up.

Can Spengler

Gonna try putting one together and get it tested. I’ve got the parts coming. Might have to use a different fan and box. And will use a two filters.

Null Phase

not sure why people are so worried about keeping prints sterile. fruiting stage is not sterile so why would the spores that are produced be sterile as well? spores are inherently unclean and are cleaned by doing agar transfers.

Rumple

Thanks!

Dan G

Filterbuy.com has a wide range of filter sizes for relatively cheap, and free shipping over 100$. You can get a 12"x27"x4" MERV 13 filter for 45$, 12"x20"x4" filter for 35, with bulk discounts or thinner filters for less. I'm not sure how MERV 13 compares to the ones posted by Gordo. You could measure the whole face of one side of the tote, subtract a few inches, and get the whole side to be a filter. You could do this with different size totes too, the 105 qt tote (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sterilite-105-Qt-Clear-Plastic-Latching-Box-Blue-Latches-with-Clear-Lid/46001911?athbdg=L1102) could accommodate a 27" wide filter (maybe a 30"), the 66 qt could probably do a 20" wide filter. Also, the size of the tote leaves a lot of unused volume, I'm wondering whether you would cut a square hole in the lid of a 32 qt tote (24"x16"x7" https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sterilite-32-Qt-Clear-Plastic-Latch-Box-Plastic-Stadium-Blue/585971677) and then use the tote propped up against a wall sideways and secured (the lid is not completely flat, so it may only be able to have a 16"x12" filter, can't be sure until you measure). The depth of the 32 qt tote would require a 6" fan instead of an 8" fan, but I'm not sure if thats enough CFM, judging from Gordo's post.

GordoTEK

I would use the filters unmodified and simply silicone seal them together but this does raise the question of what happens to the laminar flow along the center where they are joined? You might have to avoid working in the center which could be annoying. Further testing is required. But removing the frame could damage the filter and you will still have to join them together which implies a dead zone of airflow in the middle. Maybe not a great idea to use two filters like this but I think it could be nice as long as you work in the centers of each filter almost as if you just had two separate units sitting side by side. I think the fan used here is strong enough to support both filters.

Rumple

If using both filters to make a larger work area, would the frame on the sides where the filters meet need to be removed?

Wes D

Ahh I was just thinking positive pressure with clean air only coming in would be ok. Thanks!

GordoTEK

No, that is not a good idea, you want laminar flow and that would produce turbulent flow, as soon as you stick your arms in the box particles are flying everywhere, that leads to contamination. Laminar flow is the gold standard.

Wes D

True, anything would probably be better than nothing just whatever you can do to keep out excess dust. My other thought for when I make a new one is just to somehow do it a SAB style with the filter on the back of the SAB with the hand holes just like the SAB. Obviously it's no longer a SAB but it's just a thought I had. Kinda like an upgraded version of a SAB in my mind.

GordoTEK

I considered using the carbon filter as a prefilter but wasn't sure it would really contribute much, a furnace filter would make a better prefilter but I suppose the carbon filter might be better than nothing.

Nick Lang

Thanks 👍

kevin lee

Yep I noticed the same. AC infinity seems to be popular in the US. I wonder if there is a convenient UK equivalent. Also if you put this part number into Google you will find the Phillips filter:- Fy1410 Hepa Filter

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Nick Lang

Amazing. Will be trying this Checked the price of the fan in the UK, £98! ($120). Cheaper to get it shipped here from US

HD1237

On it!

Mike Padia

How much is it to replace the HEPA filter? Maybe it needs another, prefilter (bungee cord a couple pillow sacks with Poly-fil, keep it $100). You got to wrap carbon filters in plastic wrap or they stop working. Carbon filters are for smell (in a grow)? They also cost $50++ for 8" filter. Your $100 budget is blown.... Anyways, we can take "prints" and grain transfers (I've actually learned to do it over a warmed up oven 250°f for 15mins, the hot sterile air rises....) with this. The still air box is great for agar.......I ain't gonna change my hot oven tek for an air box 🤟

Mountain Myco

Outstanding! I love A/C Infinity fans.

Wes D

I'm not saying it's necessary but its worked very well for my setup

Wes D

Well this is stuff I already had. And in my mind would stop any dust or large particulates from entering your hepa, extending its life.

Mike Padia

OldBrownWookiee

Nice work!!

Shepdiggity

Thank you Gordo I have been wrestling with this mega purchase (flow hood) for some time and just couldn’t justify the expense for a hobby. I’m going to get right on this. Thanks again for all the support you give to the community

Wes D

Only thing I did different was attached a carbon filter to the intake like you would in your standard pot grow room. In my head I figured it was an extra layer of protection to make my hepa filter last longer. I've had great success 🙌

Wes D

This is exactly what I built last year lol hope I had a hand in the inspiration! Great job gordo!

Derek

Gordo you are seriously the GOAT MVP.

ben dulong

Cool!


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