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Godslayer Lysette: Chapter 273

🕑 Added 2024-11-18 11:45:05 +0000 UTC

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Jessica

I'm not so sure about your second part. We tend to accept quite a lot of unnecessary suffering just because we are used to it. But I agree that 'assign' is too strong a word. Maybe more like 'suggest'. There needs to be a council of sorts where people can raise issues or someone like Lyon can bring their ideas, but this council should not have power to command a tribe to anything. I am an anarchist at heart and believe the tribes should have the final say on what happens on their own land.

Bielna

I agree with the first part, not the rest. Ideally you wouldn't assign any role to anyone or any group. If there is a role that is more in need than the others, reward people more for it, and let everyone choose for themselves. The idea that some tasks "must be done" is just an excuse by those in power (not always individuals, the oppression of the majority has the same effect). In reality, if something is really important, it being missing will be felt by the others and someone will pick it up eventually, else it really wasn't that important. It doesn't matter that you'd assign those roles as part of a group - our own world shows that groups will pressure individuals into the roles they feel "are best for them" and try to lock them into specific roles. Only full mobility between roles, which means none of the goals "must" be filled, allows individual freedom.

Jessica

It's only our individualistic view of the world that requires a single person to have a single role. This view is far from natural or justified. Ideally you would not assign a role to an individual but would assign a selection of goals to a tribe of about 100 people, and would let the individuals go through multiple roles needed to fulfill these goals. This would balance out individual advantages or disadvantages and would give individuals a wider variety of choices while still allowing them to gravitate more towards certain tasks than others. And if you let people choose their own tribe after they are expected to travel around in their youth, you have a bit of protection against tribes becoming cults, and keep the connection between the tribes.

Bielna

He's not wrong that you need different people for different jobs. The only issue is accepting the arbitrariness of such assignment, being decided by the circumstances of one's birth, and elevating people born with advantages above the others. Interestingly though, it's not so different from Lysette's older Reciprocity, back when she insisted that it didn't require Fairness. Her idea was, at that time, to give everyone back what as much as they were able to contribute. It seems Ereill might be a living proof that it's not that great a system. On the other hand, how would another system work ? In the ideal case everyone would have a fair chance, and be rewarded as long as they contribute to the best of their capabilities. But in practice, there would be other factors that will come into play. Valencia talked about the power of his parents, which might become the new baseline for what job one can do. Or it might become even worse, with arbitrary things like one's gender becoming a factor in what job someone can do. Changing how people are locked into certain roles is important, but it's something risky to do thoughtlessly (risks that are sometimes worth taking, though).

Jessica

First, there is a bit of a circular reasoning there, commander, when you claim cultivators would not want to do "peasant's work" if they are called to do great deeds, but it is precisely because you separate the two that the distinction exists to begin with. And second, while sure divines are less fallible than mortals you don't know what the purpose of her design is and if a system that was more fallible but also more in line with your own values wouldn't be better for you. Unfortunately, you never learned to want something. But to want something is the only thing that can't be delegated. And what is your idea of nobility if not to have your own idea about what kind of society you want to live in?


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